Matrix Games Forums

The AI looks at the all weapons and for main guns the AP and HEAT based on the range (range impacts AP only). We take a singular AP and HEAT value in the data. In the case of the Brits that would be the HESH round as they don't carry a rifled HEAT round.

ORIGINAL: MTTODD

No it's not my personal favourite, it just looks incorrect.

The Leopard 2A4 is my favourite.

Everybody have their favorite tanks but most of NATO countries that don’t have their own tank production have chosen Leopard as their main battle tank after extensive testing and analyzing all available NATO tanks on the market. NATO countries that have their own tank production have to favors their own tanks from political reasons. [8D]

If you look the data almost all western countries have chosen Leopard as main battle after very extensive testing and analyzing by their countries top military experts. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ma ... by_country

Almoust all western countries could have buy Abrams, LeClerc, Challenger if they wanted but they wanted Leopard instead.

Yep, each to their own.

I think Abrams / Leo2 / Challenger 2 are all superb tanks.

I've only worked on Challenger 2 but all I can say is: it's a truly 'awesome' tank [:D]

I worked on gunnery accuracy and US / UK / WG all co-operate extensively in that area, as they do in armour capabilities as well. The place I worked at was called Chertsey and has now been closed down. Chertsey is not far from a place called Chobham [;)].

By the way Chally1 was a good tank for the Brits. It did what they wanted (mostly). It did pretty good in DS1, so I think it would have been OK in Central Front as well. From those experiences Chally2 was born.

I think cost has to be factored in as well,some of the countries using Leopard are smaller countries with limited defense bugets,and if I understand correctly the Leopard is the least expensive of the Western and American MBT'S.

Oh, and the reason the Brits didn't go for either Abrams or Leo2 was the fact that HM Treasury had spent vast amounts of tax payers money on HESH rounds, which have to be fired from a rifled gun.

HESH is a pretty good round, a sort-of monkey wrench ammo, in that it does nearly all jobs. It's really useful as an anti-infantry weapon and it did well against old-style Sov tanks of the T-55 and T-62 style. How good it would be against newer Sov tanks with layered armour I don't know, but against, say, APCs it would just demolish them.

And a Chally1 did get the all-time record of a hit at 5,400m in DS1 against a T-55 with a HESH round. Not bad [:D] Probably couldn't do it again though.

HI,

Firstly thanks for taking the trouble to answer my queries, are really enjoying the game.

Just to clarify, the AI will use the ammunition which has the best chance of penetration at the engagement range ?

MTTODD,

This questions touches on abstraction and simplification. AFV main guns have a value for hard targets and one for soft targets. When the gun is used to engage, the value used is the one that goes with that type of target. Types of rounds are not tracked and neither is an ammo mix. Also not tracked is battlecarry. In a tank that fires combustible cases, you do not unload the gun unless it is cold (30+ minutes of not firing). So, in a battle, if a HEAT/HEP/HESH round is loaded and the tank commander wants to fire SABOT, he'd command the gunner (in the US Army, anyways) "FIRE, FIRE SABOT".

So, the game assumes perfect ammo usage and uses the "best case" armor pen value for hard targets.