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More and more reports of Jap subs getting spanked by surface ships that they are engaging on the surface!

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Sub attack at 43,68

Japanese Ships
SS I-4, Shell hits 20

Allied Ships
AO Tippecanoe, Shell hits 11, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
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I've now experienced half a dozen such incidents in short time...more than happened in the entire war I guess.

If a sub torpedoes and opens fire with a 5'5in guns on a merchant, the surprise and shock should greatly decrease the chance of taking damaging return fire.

I had the same thing happen to a pair of S class boats last night in the slot.

I was engaging a HUGE convoys of unescorted IJN transports on two separate occassions.

One sub had 3 salvos left the other had 2 salvos left. One ended up sunk and the other so crippled it could not make it back to any port other than Tulagi where it was able to hide for a week and repair enough of its FLT damage to limp home (theres a story for "Life"). Both were on the surface and shelling the transports.

Something needs to be tweaked in the sub AI IMHO.

I've had my subs surface to fight regularly, usually at night but not always. I find it hard to fault the boys for being too aggressive. After all, I sent them out there to destroy the enemy. Sometimes they don't show a lot of common sense, going after combat vessels on the surface. But at least they're taking the fight to the enemy.

The other night I was surprised to receive a report of the S-47 putting a torpedo into the Yamato (June 14, 1942) on the approaches to Shortland. I like to keep a sub on patrol in that area, it has been a very good hunting ground. Unfortunately, there have been no subsequent reports from the S-47, so I can only assume that Yamato's escort exacted their revenge. I suppose we should call htat one a suicide attack, but the Yamato was not part of a bombardment mission to Lunga a couple of night's later. Maybe their sacrifice saved a few lives...

It's a great comment on the quality of UV that we're down to niggling about over aggressive subs.....that said, I've had a S boat in pretty good health (under 5 sys damage) get sunk outright by a IJN barge. Barge hit the S boat a few times with the heavy machine guns and bye bye S boat. Seemed a bit extreme but I can chalk it up to the wackiness of war. Probably not worth diverting resources from WITP but would like to see it sorted out in UV at some point.

I routinely have my subs peppered by 25 mm fire from barges. In fact, just a few days ago, 3 S-Boats were knocked out by barge fire. Not sunk, but they'll have to go back to Pearl.

I admire my captain's aggressiveness, but question their intelligence!