RE: Question about CV planes attack numbers
Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 3:36 am
by Endy
ORIGINAL: bigred
Well I would like to enjoy some torpedo hits and Japanese bombers. So no DBB.
from the opponent wanted forum.
So you suggest is only in DBB and not vanilla that the full carrier strikes go only if there is at least one CV/CVL/CVE in range? Would be nice to get a confirmation, perhaps I'll do some tests later as well.
As for carrier presence required, we tested and it and just the presence of a single CVE in hex was enough to trigger and draw a full, well coordinated strikes from KB, otherwise "reserves" will be kept and ony some bombers will fly.
If this is a base game mechanic thing, then it's a pity that it's not in the manual (unless it is and I'm blind, than I apologize...), since many players probably just blame poor bomber strike attendance results on TFs other than air combat ones on bad luck, weather, a thousand other possible factors, without realizing that the solution is as simple as lack of presence of an enemy carrier of any type in sight. I guess many Jap players were wondering why their wonderful plans to crush an Allied surface fleet or invasion with a well aimed KB strike failed and blamed it on something totally different than it actually was...
I love the game, but there are so many things that you can only find out during actual gameplay and sometimes not without testing a lot that it can make any kind of in-game planning very difficult. This is especially for new/averagely experienced players, and you'll be making lots of very bad or inefficient moves because there is often no way to know this kind of stuff, unless you discover it by accident/read on the forums etc.
RE: Question about CV planes attack numbers
Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 9:47 am
by Cavalry Corp
Try this for uncoordinated
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Mar 15, 42
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Morning Air attack on Colombo , at 29,48
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
Raid detected at 93 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 39 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 19
B5N2 Kate x 111
Allied aircraft
Hurricane I Trop x 16
Hurricane IIa Trop x 16
Hurricane IIb Trop x 16
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed
B5N2 Kate: 35 destroyed, 15 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 2 destroyed by flak
Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane I Trop: 1 destroyed
Hurricane IIa Trop: 1 destroyed
Hurricane IIb Trop: 2 destroyed
Allied Ships
CVL Hermes, Bomb hits 1
BB Resolution, Bomb hits 1
BB Revenge, Bomb hits 1
Port hits 1
Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 13000 feet
City Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
8 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 20000 feet
20 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 13000 feet
Port Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
13 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 13000 feet
Port Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
8 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 13000 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb
3 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 13000 feet
Port Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
11 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 13000 feet
Port Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
10 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 13000 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb
CAP engaged:
No.17 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIa Trop (0 airborne, 9 on standby, 3 scrambling)
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 17000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 24 minutes
8 planes vectored on to bombers
No.30 Sqn RAF with Hurricane I Trop (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 11 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 13000 and 16000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 29 minutes
13 planes vectored on to bombers
No.232 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIb Trop (0 airborne, 9 on standby, 3 scrambling)
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 18000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 28 minutes
9 planes vectored on to bombers
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Trincomalee at 32,48
Weather in hex: Light rain
Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes
Japanese aircraft
D3A1 Val x 22
Allied aircraft
Hurricane I Trop x 8
Japanese aircraft losses
D3A1 Val: 5 destroyed, 2 damaged
No Allied losses
Allied Ships
xAP Cap Varella, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
xAK Cagou, Bomb hits 1, on fire
Aircraft Attacking:
3 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
3 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
1 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
CAP engaged:
No.30 Sqn RAF with Hurricane I Trop (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(8 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
8 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 13000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 85 minutes
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Colombo at 29,48
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
Raid detected at 27 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes
Japanese aircraft
D3A1 Val x 21
Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIa Trop x 10
Hurricane IIb Trop x 8
Japanese aircraft losses
D3A1 Val: 6 destroyed, 1 damaged
No Allied losses
Allied Ships
xAP Jalakrishna
xAP Turing Mary
Aircraft Attacking:
1 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
1 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
CAP engaged:
No.17 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIa Trop (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
10 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 13000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 57 minutes
No.243 Sqn RAF Det with Hurricane IIb Trop (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Raid is overhead
No.232 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIb Trop (4 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 13000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 59 minutes
Training flight from No.243 Sqn RAF Det has been caught up in attack
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Trincomalee at 31,47
Weather in hex: Overcast
Raid detected at 33 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes
Japanese aircraft
D3A1 Val x 11
Japanese aircraft losses
D3A1 Val: 2 damaged
Allied Ships
CM Abdiel, Bomb hits 1, on fire
Aircraft Attacking:
1 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
10 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Trincomalee at 33,53
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms
Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 51 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 53
Allied aircraft
Fulmar II x 11
Swordfish I x 12
No Japanese losses
Allied aircraft losses
Fulmar II: 2 destroyed
Swordfish I: 9 destroyed
CAP engaged:
Akagi-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 7000 and 11000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 16 minutes
4 planes vectored on to bombers
Soryu-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 20000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 42 minutes
2 planes vectored on to bombers
Hiryu-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 5 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 13000 , scrambling fighters between 8000 and 9000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 8 minutes
6 planes vectored on to bombers
Ryujo-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 13000 , scrambling fighters between 5000 and 13000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 33 minutes
3 planes vectored on to bombers
Shoho-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 13 on standby, 0 scrambling)
6 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 8000 , scrambling fighters between 6000 and 11000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 25 minutes
5 planes vectored on to bombers
Nisshin-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 13000 , scrambling fighters to 7000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 20 minutes
6 planes vectored on to bombers
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Trincomalee at 32,48
Weather in hex: Light cloud
Raid spotted at 13 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes
Japanese aircraft
D3A1 Val x 29
Allied aircraft
Hurricane I Trop x 4
Japanese aircraft losses
D3A1 Val: 3 destroyed, 13 damaged
No Allied losses
Allied Ships
xAP Rangitata, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Cagou, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAP Cap Padaran, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
KV Aster, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
xAK Polynesien, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Capitaine Illiaquer, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
Aircraft Attacking:
12 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
2 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
1 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
CAP engaged:
No.30 Sqn RAF with Hurricane I Trop (4 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(4 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Raid is overhead
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring xAP Rangitata
Massive explosion on xAK Cagou
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring xAK Cagou
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring xAK Capitaine Illiaquer
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Trincomalee at 31,47
Weather in hex: Severe storms
Raid detected at 60 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes
Japanese aircraft
D3A1 Val x 3
Japanese aircraft losses
D3A1 Val: 2 damaged
Allied Ships
CM Abdiel
Aircraft Attacking:
3 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Colombo , at 29,48
Weather in hex: Severe storms
Raid detected at 31 NM, estimated altitude 22,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 16
Allied aircraft
Hurricane I Trop x 4
Hurricane IIa Trop x 8
Hurricane IIb Trop x 7
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 3 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane I Trop: 1 destroyed
Hurricane IIa Trop: 1 destroyed
Aircraft Attacking:
1 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 20000 feet
CAP engaged:
No.17 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIa Trop (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 23000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 16 minutes
No.30 Sqn RAF with Hurricane I Trop (1 airborne, 3 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 13000.
Raid is overhead
No.232 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIb Trop (0 airborne, 5 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 21000 and 24000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 21 minutes
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Colombo at 29,48
Weather in hex: Severe storms
Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes
Japanese aircraft
D3A1 Val x 5
Allied aircraft
Hurricane I Trop x 2
Hurricane IIa Trop x 2
Hurricane IIb Trop x 3
Japanese aircraft losses
D3A1 Val: 3 destroyed
No Allied losses
CAP engaged:
No.232 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIb Trop (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(2 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 11000 and 23000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 23 minutes
No.30 Sqn RAF with Hurricane I Trop (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(2 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 8000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 55 minutes
No.17 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIa Trop (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(2 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 9000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 5 minutes
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Afternoon Air attack on Colombo , at 29,48
Weather in hex: Heavy rain
Raid detected at 115 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 49 minutes
Japanese aircraft
B5N2 Kate x 18
Allied aircraft
Hurricane I Trop x 3
Hurricane IIa Trop x 6
Hurricane IIb Trop x 5
Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 8 destroyed
No Allied losses
CAP engaged:
No.17 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIa Trop (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 1 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 12000 and 17000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 23 minutes
No.30 Sqn RAF with Hurricane I Trop (0 airborne, 2 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 38 minutes
No.232 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIb Trop (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 7000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 26 minutes
Thought that perhaps DBB changed something in attack patterns depending on enemy fleet composition. We only tested in DBB after all, so I started wondering if that's just exclusive to the mod or a hard coded thing.