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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

ORIGINAL: geofflambert

ORIGINAL: iley




Sorry that was back in the olden days you had to send actual film off to get developed.
Too much trouble. I had bought a second map and pinned it to the wall.
Used contact paper so we could write on it with a Greece pen.

Lee

I have pics of an Austerlitz battle played on a handmade map with hand-painted cardboard unit pieces. The map took up the better part of 4' x 8' plywood and particle board sheets, laid on sawhorses. The pics were at various points in the battle, but they're Polaroids (or the Kodak knock-off) and they suck.
The map was painted with watercolors and the pieces with oil or acrylic (don't remember). They were decorated with rub off numbers and symbols for the unit types. Think I still have it but I'm missing some of the pieces.

I don't think it was that game but a similarly large one and I had a cat get up on it and bat some of the pieces around in a game in progress. [:@] He learned never to get up there again. Reconstructed it accurately, I believe, with the help of my opponent.

In the early 70 my older brother used to play some kind of naval wargame with miniatures. Must have been scenarios as they only took an afternoon. They rented out the HS gym and used the whole basketball court. I thought it was about the geekiest thing I had ever heard of in my life. Girls were far more interesting.

What?!? Are you a moose or a meese?

AH's Jutland game was the first team game I ever played. That was decades ago have almost no memory of it.
The biggest game I ever took a shot at was Game Design Workshop's Europa series. Monumental!

I was and am a war game geek. In the seventies and early eighties I would spend my summer vacation
attending the large war game convention on the East Coast. If I remember right it was called origins.
My goal in life was to win the Avalon Hill 500.

Now that I'm retired and have absolutely nothing else to do I'm getting back into games.

Iley

I have printed a map of the WITP map on heavy paper sth in the 1.5 mt by 3mt range , and had it coated with plastic. It has extra space in the intersections sections so it's easy to fold it.

I generally roll it on my study but I am now preparing a mount to have it permanent hang on the wall. I also use a grease pen to mark moves and think what's next but now I am cutting up little unit markers ( division - TF - AF size currently ) to place on it. Maybe if I have a large map , I can go down to the HEX sized unit pinups.

Now that I wrote this I realized I am slowly reverse-engineering the game

ORIGINAL: iley

ORIGINAL: zuluhour

What a beast, would have liked to see a picture of that room. [:D]

Sorry that was back in the olden days you had to send actual film off to get developed.
Too much trouble. I had bought a second map and pinned it to the wall.
Used contact paper so we could write on it with a Greece pen.

Lee

Moose, I think that game was called "Seapower". Made for use wih 1/1200 scale ships. Somewhere in the garage I still have a bunch of those ships in a box. They were made by a company in Virginia called "ALNAVCO". I think they marketed the game as well.

Most complex game ever devised is called US Senate.

ORIGINAL: pelthunter

Most complex game ever devised is called US Senate.

You would be bored to tears if you were in the Senate.

You could probably do WitPAE turns while in the chamber.

Thread sure wandered fast.

yada yada yad...yea I played and owned all the mega games with the notable exception of Campaign for North Afrika.


However, I am very intrigued by the OPs find.

Never heard of Westinghouse making board games....they area an appliance manufacturer after all.

It appears to be cold war based as it mentions missiles on the cover.

Extremely curious about the innards of that box.

You have to share some screen shots of the contents!

Please [&o] Please [&o] Please [&o]

Westinghouse was/is also a major defence contractor as well as appliance manufacturer.

I would put money on this being an internal analysist training tool (which would explain its rarity*).

Unfortunately it wasn't me that bought it (though I was tempted) so you will have to be satisfied with the Board Game Geek link below.

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/8819/logistics-command

Other Westinghouse games:
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgamepublisher/4310/westinghouse

(* All of 26 people claim to own Logistics Command, only 3 each of their other products).

I'd bet it was also a recruiting tool looking for talent, and not necessarily military related.

That's been done before... [:D]

The Sky's the Limit

Westinghouse is a major player in nuclear reactor designs. Their designs are used in a large number of the world's civilian reactors in service today. I don't know how much defense work they do these days, but they were a major defense contractor in the early days of the nuclear arms race. In their early days Westinghouse made the first railroad car brakes and George Westinghouse got staggeringly rich off Nikola Tesla's AC electric generator.

Bill

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

In the early 70 my older brother used to play some kind of naval wargame with miniatures. Must have been scenarios as they only took an afternoon. They rented out the HS gym and used the whole basketball court. I thought it was about the geekiest thing I had ever heard of in my life. Girls were far more interesting.

ORIGINAL: dave sindel

Moose, I think that game was called "Seapower". Made for use wih 1/1200 scale ships. Somewhere in the garage I still have a bunch of those ships in a box. They were made by a company in Virginia called "ALNAVCO". I think they marketed the game as well.

Another contender is Battle Stations!. This doesn't use dice but a slide rule to do gunnery calculations and ship list is calculated from flooding compartments in a diagram of the ships internal structure... (draw you own conclusions regarding complexity from that!!! [X(])

https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/18596/battlestations

It's designed for scales of 1:1200 to 1:19200 but with the 16"/50 1936m7 gun (Iowa, Montana class) having a maximum range on 42,345 yards (which equates to 35 yards at 1:2400 scale), you still have a game with a HUGE playing area!!!

It was computerised in a game called Action Stations by a company called Raw Entertainment which took all the calculations off the player and added an element of "Fog of War". However, the IBM-PC DOS/keyboard user interface was terrible and I believe the only version worth playing was the Amiga version which used that machines GUI user interface. (You can still find it on abandon-ware sites).

A comprehensive range 1:2400 waterline ship models are still available from GHQ Models

I have always liked the comprehensive nature of the Battle Station! rules as it encourages realistic tactics.

For instance you don't actually need to sink a ship. If you open up enough compartments on one side (usually with a well timed torpedo salvo) before they counter flood (which brings problems of its own), a ship can actually capsize!!! [X(] This shows the value of torpedo bulges and makes a loner long lance carrying destroyer in low visibility conditions a fearsome threat even to capital ships. I've even seen the same trick pulled off by Fletchers though its most effective against CA. This is the real historical role of the CL - screen the battle line from enemy light forces. None of this "I'm bigger than you and have too many hit points to sink in one turn" stuff!! They built those historical ship classes for a reason - ignore historical tactics at your own risk. [:)]

The other factor I liked about this rule set was the effectiveness of the machine gun cruisers. The smaller guns had less penetrating power against the accurately modelled target armour but had a much higher rate of fire. While they could not penetrate the belt armour, they could sweep the deck clean of the more lightly armoured superstructure and turn the Yamato into an unsinkable armoured barge. Those big guns are no use without directors to aim them. [:(] With a bit of luck you might even start a big fire which would really ruin his day, (and light him up as a target in a night action). Once again the defence was the historical use of light escort forces.

Playing as miniatures was always problematic unless you truncated the scale but it worked nicely as a computer game (scalable maps). D@#% those clunky user interfaces of the 80's......

Well, 3M used to have a great series of Bookcase games. My uncle who worked for the company would give us one about each Christmas. Conglomerates back in the day thought they could go into any line of business and make a buck. Come to think of it, that's still true here in Korea.

Cheers,
CC

I believe Avalon Hill bought the 3M game line and re-marketed a number of them under their name.

Yaquinto Publications was (still is) a printing company which diversified into the games industry leveraging off their printing expertise.

ORIGINAL: wdolson

I believe Avalon Hill bought the 3M game line and re-marketed a number of them under their name.

Yes, my old high school gaming buddy and I played the heck out of Feudal.

ORIGINAL: Reg


That's been done before... [:D]

The Sky's the Limit

from the page:
"The Sky's the Limit" is described as a game of aircraft trading and management. It was published by BAE Systems, the British aerospace and defense company, as a promotional product.

The aim of the game is to travel from your starting city, purchase at least one aircraft from the bank whilst at a city in each continent, and then return to your starting city, making the most of all business opportunities en route. Along the way, you will encounter opportunities to improve you journey or your financial situation, or events that conspire against you.

An interesting extract from the rules: "The most trustworthy player is chosen as the banker. If a trustworthy player can't be agreed upon, the banker shall be the oldest player."

Me again -
We're all pretty untrustworthy, but we are old. Mirror, mirror, on the wall, who's the oldest one of all? [:D]

Not me, I am (relatively) young at fifty-five.

Regards,
Feltan

ORIGINAL: Feltan

Not me, I am (relatively) young at fifty-five.

Regards,
Feltan

I got you beat, but not by a comfortable margin I'm afraid.