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RE: 3M14 Klub

Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2015 8:49 am
by Zaslon
ORIGINAL: nico71

A factor of ten is quite a bit. But by 'independent' I mean in the scientific sense, not a source of a faction that is involved in an ongoing war. If that's even possible. I don't know.
It's not possible. Independent sources don't exist here in the scientific sense. All data come from public sources, so it's propaganda.

But as westerners we believe the info from western companies (based on quantity, not quality of the info) and we deny all info from russian companies when they claim that they developed a TLAM (3M-14) with at least 1.500 km of range because is an extraordinary claim!!! [:D] Extraordinary? We aren't objectives, it's natural but we need to make some corrections in order to be more close to the reality. I don't know what's your opinion but I want a CMANO with a DB close as possible to the real stuff. And a 3M-14 Kalibr missile with 1.600 km for example is more close than 160 km as we known at this moment.

I hope that in DB441, 3M-14 have a reasonable range (1.500 km + 5%-10% km). Plus a factor because we know that they strike targets from 1.500 km but they didn't launch the missiles at his maximum range.

RE: 3M14 Klub

Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2015 9:21 am
by AlmightyTallest
Some of the disparity in range can be attributed to the flight profiles of some versions of the missile. If it's going to go subsonic for the entire flight, you'll get a much longer range for example.

RE: 3M14 Klub

Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2015 9:52 am
by Dimitris
ORIGINAL: Zaslon
And a 3M-14 Kalibr missile with 1.600 km for example is more close than 160 km as we known at this moment.

Actually both figures are close to the mark. The domestic 3M14 Kalibr has a > 1000nm range while the export-oriented, MTCR-compliant 3M14E/KE Klub has IIRC a 160nm range.

(They are also physically different. Kalibr is ~8m long and Klub is ~6m. It makes sense to assume that most of the extra length on the Kalibr is used for fuel. In this sense they are similar to Tomahawk and its aborted "tactical" derivative, MRASM.)

RE: 3M14 Klub

Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2015 2:24 pm
by Zaslon
I am glad to read that you fixed the Kalibr weapon system.