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Turn 5 GHC Armaments: 84,000 Manpower: 31,000 Germany: 635 Russia: 191

Russian Units Destroyed after November 1st 1941
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Divisions:
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AP total:

Stavka OOB: 4,036,000 +250,000
GHC OOB: 3,339,000 -3,000

Stavka Loses: 1,055,000 119,000
GHC Loses: 87,000 17,000


AGN is across Luga.

AGC flanking the land bridge from north.

AGS does 2 HQBU’s and tops off 2 other divisions with fuel.

Turn 6 GHC Armaments: 93,000 Manpower: 41,000 Germany: 712 Russia: 244

Russian Units Destroyed after November 1st 1941
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Divisions:
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AP total:

Stavka OOB: 4,082,000 +46,000
GHC OOB: 3,342,000 +3,000

Stavka Loses: 1,165,000 110,000
GHC Loses: 104,000 17,000


The Fins keep pushing south and AGN pushes another 30 miles closer to Leningrad.

AGC pushes past the land bridge.

AGS takes Poltava and its industry. The port at Odessa starts to be bombed and thrusts are made to the north and south of Kiev.

Turn 7 GHC Armaments: 102,000 Manpower: 52,000 Germany: 804 Russia: 307

Armament Pts. Destroyed = 18
Heavy Industry Destroyed = 10
Factories:
Russian Units Destroyed after November 1st 1941
Corp:
Divisions:
Brigades:
AP total:

Stavka OOB: 4,166,000 +84,000
GHC OOB: 3,344,000 +2,000

Stavka Loses: 1,328,000 163,000
GHC Loses: 127,000 23,000

AGN pushes 20 miles closer to Leningrad, the Fins cross the northern river. Russian CV is starting to drop off now as Stavka throws away troops trying to hold meaningless cities. The dam will break badly in a few turns I have a feeling.

AGC pushes past a river defense and finally the infantry arrive at the front!!! The swamp is cut off and a few more divisions. 47th PC does a HQBU.

AGS takes Poltava and its industry and closes in on Kharkov. Kiev is cut off and 2 cav divisions. The port at Odessa is almost bombed closed so if Stavka stays those units are pocketed also. All the industry is still at Kharkov and d+z towns. Stavka broke rule #1 to factory evac always always leave industry that is west of rivers. Why save 19 pts and lose 40 + other factorys – I just do not understand why people make this mistake time and time again?

Turn 9 GHC Armaments: 111,000 Manpower: 62,000 Germany: 942 Russia: 405

Armament Pts. Destroyed = 43
Heavy Industry Destroyed = 12
Factories:
Russian Units Destroyed after November 1st 1941
Corp:
Divisions:
Brigades:
AP total:

Stavka OOB: 4,345,000 +00,000
GHC OOB: 3,354,000 +00,000

Stavka Loses: 1,514,000 000,000
GHC Loses: 166,000 00,000

No pictures from turn 8.

AGN cuts of Leningrad, the Fins breakout and 9th Army pushes into the VL hills. The north appears to be a complete strategic success. Mopping up operations will begin next turn and 1 Panzer Corp will head for AGC.

AGC punches a 30 mile wide gapping hole in the lines and destroys Tula’s industry. Front line HQs are less then 100 miles from railheads so supplies are good. AGC is only 100 miles from Moscow.

AGS completely cuts off Eastern Kiev, Kharkov and locks down some industry in D-Town.

Stavka has taken heavy losses for this early in the game 1.5 million with another 150,000 now trapped in Odessa, 200,000 doomed in Leningrad, 9 divisions cut of in Kharkov and a possible 12 -15 division pocket north of Kiev.

Stavka has lost 43 AP points so far with more cut off in Leningrad, Odessa and Kharkov with some locked down in D-town.

Railheads are close to the front in center so now Moscow is a very real possibility.

Not sure Stavka can recover from the massive losses in troops and armaments.

It be several weeks before a massive offensive operation can be launched to take Stalino, but strong infantry forces can keep closing the gap.

I don't understand rule #1. What is the difference between evac 4 Arm west of the river and 4 Arm east of a river? Should be the same numbers, or?

There is no difference

ORIGINAL: VigaBrand

I don't understand rule #1. What is the difference between evac 4 Arm west of the river and 4 Arm east of a river? Should be the same numbers, or?

You leave the 20 or so industry west of rivers so that you don't get behind the curve, which you are now.

Once you start losing more then 40 AP or HY it has a lasting effect on when u can start pushing west - Pelton vs smokendave and if to much is lost can cause a collapse in late 42.

brian has played Russia perfect in our game and I am on defensive in July 42

I will admit in that game brian got all the weather lov possible and you got nothing in this game other then the one turn early which was great for me as it removed mud for the rest of the summer.

Weather has a HUGE effect now as logistics are tight.

At this point you cant defend everything or even 1/2 of anything, you really need to hold 1 or 2 things at all cost.

Yes, but there is no difference where I lost my industry. I pulled out as much as possible and if I start in the west, the rest produce until you get them.
It was a blunder not to garrison Tula, that is right. At the moment you cross the dnjpre your where out of supplies (more than 25 hexes mostly 34 from railhead). How is that possible, that you get supplies? Transportplanes shouldn't bring fuel and supplies. Is that all with exchanging units and HQBU?

ORIGINAL: VigaBrand

Yes, but there is no difference where I lost my industry.
I pulled out as much as possible and if I start in the west, the rest produce until you get them.
It was a blunder not to garrison Tula, that is right.
At the moment you cross the dnjpre your where out of supplies (more than 25 hexes mostly 34 from railhead).
How is that possible, that you get supplies? Transportplanes shouldn't bring fuel and supplies. Is that all with exchanging units and HQBU?

Turn 7 I did a HQBU and then 1 on turn 8. You can really only air supply 3 MoT divisions and they cant be in the front only last turns flipped hexes.

So turn 8 I had 4 45-50 MP's divisions a few hexes from the front lines and 3 other divisions between 35-40.

Then turn 9 you have 3 at 30-35 from fuel drops, 4 45-50 from turn 8 HQBU and 4 others at 30-35 from turn 7's HQBU.


Same old chaining of HQBU's I been doing from release. This can only be done in south because I have an extra Panzer Corp in south. You don't need them in North because RH's are basicly at the front after turn 5.

Down side is turn 10 I have 3 with 25-30 fuel drops and 4 30-35 from HQBU turn 8

Turn 11 I have very little. Bsicly turn 10 I try and pull back a few withen HQBU range, but can not do one because they don't have fuel/MPs to make it worth while.

By turn 12 or 13 I will be able to do a full out offensive, which work good because Infantry will be at the front. This will get me to Rostov or be able to form a huge pocket near Stalino.

Then throw in the fact that random weather gives a few more clear turns in October + November Snow and I should be able to clear area and start digging in for blizzard.

Turn 10 GHC Armaments: 120,000 Manpower: 68,000 Germany: 1030 Russia: 458

Armament Pts. Destroyed = 58 (22)
Heavy Industry Destroyed = 16 (8)
Factories:
Russian Units Destroyed after November 1st 1941
Corp:
Divisions:
Brigades:
AP total:

Stavka OOB: 4,382,000 +37,000
GHC OOB: 3,350,000 +4,000

Stavka Loses: 1,603,000 89,000
GHC Loses: 183,000 17,000

AGN has a total of 15 AP’s and 8 hvy locked in Leningrad. The Fins push another 40 miles south. As can be seen allot of good Russian infantry divisions were routed. I decided to rout instead of pocket as time is important, I can now free up all but 2 of the panzer divisions. Bombing of the port has started.

AGC saves the 29th MoT division and all the panzer divisions get ready to do HQBU’s. Moscow is just 80 miles away.