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ORIGINAL: mikmyk

It's not likely to happen soon. Sorry! We all wish we could nail some of this stuff quicker but we've got to stick to a plan that keeps us in business and somewhat sane. It's definitely on the list.

Mike

Mike, there is no doubt that CMANO team has to concentrate on modern warfare. This line of development is without any doubt good for the CMANO especially for the professional version and, obviously, takes priority.
I do not think there would be potential corporate clients interested in having historical units like BBs and CAs with an armour properly modelled.
I am a normal "recreational" user interested in "the whole" post WW2 period and I can only say that I would buy an extra pack containing properly modelled armoured units.
My hope is that you will do it in near future once other modern warfare priorities are +/- completed (and I am also interested in them too)[;)]

I could suggest a temporary fix for next CMANO update to avoid that 130mm/152mm guns sink an Iowa. It could be a conditional: if hit by gun<200mm then BBdamage=0 [8D]

ORIGINAL: ziolo

ORIGINAL: mikmyk

It's not likely to happen soon. Sorry! We all wish we could nail some of this stuff quicker but we've got to stick to a plan that keeps us in business and somewhat sane. It's definitely on the list.

Mike

Mike, there is no doubt that CMANO team has to concentrate on modern warfare. This line of development is without any doubt good for the CMANO especially for the professional version and, obviously, takes priority.
I do not think there would be potential corporate clients interested in having historical units like BBs and CAs with an armour properly modelled.
I am a normal "recreational" user interested in "the whole" post WW2 period and I can only say that I would buy an extra pack containing properly modelled armoured units.
My hope is that you will do it in near future once other modern warfare priorities are +/- completed (and I am also interested in them too)[;)]

I could suggest a temporary fix for next CMANO update to avoid that 130mm/152mm guns sink an Iowa. It could be a conditional: if hit by gun<200mm then BBdamage=0 [8D]

That's simply not accurate. Hit an Iowa with dozens of 130/152mm projectiles will result in significantly more than 0 damage. Fires will start, secondary weapons will be damaged, radars and other sensors destroyed, lightly-armored sections of the upper works and deck will be torn up. In tabletop battles I've had BBs make the mistake of getting too close to 6" light cruisers and they come away with significant gunfire damage.

ORIGINAL: Primarchx

ORIGINAL: ziolo

ORIGINAL: mikmyk

It's not likely to happen soon. Sorry! We all wish we could nail some of this stuff quicker but we've got to stick to a plan that keeps us in business and somewhat sane. It's definitely on the list.

Mike

Mike, there is no doubt that CMANO team has to concentrate on modern warfare. This line of development is without any doubt good for the CMANO especially for the professional version and, obviously, takes priority.
I do not think there would be potential corporate clients interested in having historical units like BBs and CAs with an armour properly modelled.
I am a normal "recreational" user interested in "the whole" post WW2 period and I can only say that I would buy an extra pack containing properly modelled armoured units.
My hope is that you will do it in near future once other modern warfare priorities are +/- completed (and I am also interested in them too)[;)]

I could suggest a temporary fix for next CMANO update to avoid that 130mm/152mm guns sink an Iowa. It could be a conditional: if hit by gun<200mm then BBdamage=0 [8D]

That's simply not accurate. Hit an Iowa with dozens of 130/152mm projectiles will result in significantly more than 0 damage. Fires will start, secondary weapons will be damaged, radars and other sensors destroyed, lightly-armored sections of the upper works and deck will be torn up. In tabletop battles I've had BBs make the mistake of getting too close to 6" light cruisers and they come away with significant gunfire damage.

Well, better than sinking a BB with 130/152mm guns...
So, maybe this: if hit by gun<200mm then BBdamage= UnarmouredShipDamage/ArmourFactor
Where ArmourFactor=100 as an example.
Also: if hit by gun<200mm, BB damage shall not go lower than, let say, 50% of an original total resistance points. This is to avoid an embarrassing sinking of a BB by small guns.

I made a test some time ago and an Iowa was sunk after consecutive hitting by 5 to 10 Shipwrecks and this looks OK. But not to be sunk by 130/152mm guns just because currently the engine makes a count of total damage points.
That is just my opinion.[;)]

Years ago I recall disabling the 6" turrets of a Sverdlov with minigun fire from a Loach. The damage models have come a long way since then.

Certainly, the models improved a lot. However the models (in CMANO) are for modern warships. These are constructed without armour with few exceptions I have mentioned in my first post.
Iowa has triple deck, constructed like layer over layer. 152mm shell would detonate on top 32mm STS steel deck and only debris would reach the main 120mm thick lower deck of grade A steel. No penetration of the main citadel. This triple deck is design to withstand the 406mm projectiles within the immunity zone.
152mm hit to the board, would be even less effective.
Out of citadel, no armour zone - here you can hit, not a big problem for a battleship. It is difficult to score direct hit on radars and masts (they are also protected by 38mm STS steel). There are no vital components in this areas apart from sensors.
And BB has all command and vital equipment within All-Or-Nothing citadel.
I am sure 152mm shell would not disable any of the main turrets fitted with 430/240mm armour.

This will be useful when we get there. Thanks!

Mike

ORIGINAL: mikmyk

It's not likely to happen soon. Sorry! We all wish we could nail some of this stuff quicker but we've got to stick to a plan that keeps us in business and somewhat sane. It's definitely on the list.

Mike

Definitely a solid plan. That result is what we all want too!!

ORIGINAL: mikmyk

This will be useful when we get there. Thanks!

Mike

Mike, thanks for the team excellent work to date. We the users are confident that CMANO is going in right direction!

I have attached the cross section of the passive protection system of Iowa class which shows better the thicknesses of the individual parts of the citadel. (Reproduction by permission of the author).
Woda/Paliwo means water/fuel