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RE: Red Phoenix
Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:48 pm
by cf_dallas
ORIGINAL: cf_dallas
Vortex was South Africa, Cauldron was Europe, right? Both were good, but Vortex was a lot more plausible.
... Britain out of the EU, rising tide of nationalism in Europe. Ahem. I take it back. Anything is possible.
RE: Red Phoenix
Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2016 3:20 pm
by thewood1
Do a google search on steel beasts 4.0
RE: Red Phoenix
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 3:05 pm
by hawkeye_de
I'm wondering why no decent novel is written yet concerning that in Europe we have a somewhat 'mild' cold war...what a pity that Tom Clancy isn't any longer with us....maybe he would have written a successor to RedStormRising (my all time favorite novel) ?
RE: Red Phoenix
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 3:54 pm
by mikmykWS
ORIGINAL: hawkeye_de
I'm wondering why no decent novel is written yet concerning that in Europe we have a somewhat 'mild' cold war...what a pity that Tom Clancy isn't any longer with us....maybe he would have written a successor to RedStormRising (my all time favorite novel) ?
The Clancy franchise books written by Mark Greaney do (Command Authority and Commander in Chief) but its not what it used to be.
Coiler had a few good thoughts on what's going on with the genre on his blog and linked to another article on it.. Worth checking out
here.
My take is that people have a ton of choices now so anybody doing anything entertainment is competing for the same pool of time and must focus on quality. This makes the measure of what gets published is higher. The way around that is self publishing that dumps you into a massive pool where its hard to stand out.
Mike
RE: Red Phoenix
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 5:07 pm
by hellfish6
Every Clancy-esque military novel/technothriller I seem to come across these days is mostly a platform for neocon authors to rant and rave about the state of the world. I'm pretty happy reading historical military books now. Some oldies but goodies from the USN in WWII.
RE: Red Phoenix
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 5:13 pm
by mikmykWS
ORIGINAL: hellfish6
Every Clancy-esque military novel/technothriller I seem to come across these days is mostly a platform for neocon authors to rant and rave about the state of the world. I'm pretty happy reading historical military books now. Some oldies but goodies from the USN in WWII.
I agree. That is annoying.
Mike
RE: Red Phoenix
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 5:42 pm
by mikkey
Thanks for interesting tips on summer reading. Too bad that the some of them (Red Phoenix, Vortex, Fourth Crisis...) is the problem to buy it as a standard book and not only as an ebook[:(].
RE: Red Phoenix
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 9:26 pm
by Rory Noonan
ORIGINAL: mikkey
Thanks for interesting tips on summer reading. Too bad that the some of them (Red Phoenix, Vortex, Fourth Crisis...) is the problem to buy it as a standard book and not only as an ebook[:(].
I bought The War That Never Was and Sixth Battle as hysical copies off Amazon. Must say I'm enjoying reading a real book for a change!
RE: Red Phoenix
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 9:36 pm
by thewood1
Other than a few reference books, I haven't read a physical book in 5-6 years. I read about a book/novel a week and all from my tablet(s).
RE: Red Phoenix
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 11:13 pm
by cf_dallas
ORIGINAL: mikmyk
ORIGINAL: hawkeye_de
I'm wondering why no decent novel is written yet concerning that in Europe we have a somewhat 'mild' cold war...what a pity that Tom Clancy isn't any longer with us....maybe he would have written a successor to RedStormRising (my all time favorite novel) ?
The Clancy franchise books written by Mark Greaney do (Command Authority and Commander in Chief) but its not what it used to be.
Coiler had a few good thoughts on what's going on with the genre on his blog and linked to another article on it.. Worth checking out
here.
My take is that people have a ton of choices now so anybody doing anything entertainment is competing for the same pool of time and must focus on quality. This makes the measure of what gets published is higher. The way around that is self publishing that dumps you into a massive pool where its hard to stand out.
Mike
Coiler's post and the article he links to are both really good reads... thanks for posting the link.
RE: Red Phoenix
Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:42 pm
by hawkeye_de
ORIGINAL: cf_dallas
ORIGINAL: mikmyk
ORIGINAL: hawkeye_de
I'm wondering why no decent novel is written yet concerning that in Europe we have a somewhat 'mild' cold war...what a pity that Tom Clancy isn't any longer with us....maybe he would have written a successor to RedStormRising (my all time favorite novel) ?
The Clancy franchise books written by Mark Greaney do (Command Authority and Commander in Chief) but its not what it used to be.
Coiler had a few good thoughts on what's going on with the genre on his blog and linked to another article on it.. Worth checking out
here.
My take is that people have a ton of choices now so anybody doing anything entertainment is competing for the same pool of time and must focus on quality. This makes the measure of what gets published is higher. The way around that is self publishing that dumps you into a massive pool where its hard to stand out.
Mike
Coiler's post and the article he links to are both really good reads... thanks for posting the link.
I agree. Personally, I think there is still a market, it is not that there is no interest in the theme.
For instance, 'Twilight Struggle' was in the last 5-10 years the highest ranked/popular boardgame (English-speaking regions) and it's theme is just the struggle of the cold war.
RE: Red Phoenix
Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 4:24 pm
by Airborne Rifles
ORIGINAL: apache85
I bought The War That Never Was and Sixth Battle as hysical copies off Amazon. Must say I'm enjoying reading a real book for a change!
I really enjoyed The War that Never Was. Lots of scenario fodder there, as some of the talented scenario designers here already know [:)]
RE: Red Phoenix
Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 6:28 pm
by Excroat3
ORIGINAL: Airborne Rifles
ORIGINAL: apache85
I bought The War That Never Was and Sixth Battle as hysical copies off Amazon. Must say I'm enjoying reading a real book for a change!
I really enjoyed The War that Never Was. Lots of scenario fodder there, as some of the talented scenario designers here already know [:)]
My scenario based on TWTNW is already out, and I'm releasing my scenario based on The Sixth Battle as soon as the new DB releases [:D]
RE: Red Phoenix
Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 11:39 pm
by Rory Noonan
ORIGINAL: Airborne Rifles
ORIGINAL: apache85
I bought The War That Never Was and Sixth Battle as hysical copies off Amazon. Must say I'm enjoying reading a real book for a change!
I really enjoyed The War that Never Was. Lots of scenario fodder there, as some of the talented scenario designers here already know [:)]
Almost finished with it. I'm really enjoying it and I think most on this forum would... However, it is written for the most part like a dry recounting of history interspersed with an occasional bit of story telling. That's fine, it's a book that essentially covers WW3 in the space of a novel so I understand it needs to be condensed.
From a broader audience point of view I think your NF AARs are a better read in many respects. I'd buy a novel written in the same style.
RE: Red Phoenix
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:46 pm
by hellfish6
I really liked The War That Never Was. Picked up the Red Phoenix Burning over the weekend and I like it so far.
RE: Red Phoenix
Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 10:43 am
by OnFire
The sequel, Red Phoenix burning is very good. It has many relateable personae dramatis and paints a realistic what-if scenario. The battles are very good written and immersive. I very much like that it features some characters from the original Red Phoenix (Kevin Little, Rhee, Tony Christopher). Overall, I would rate the series 8/10.