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ORIGINAL: crsutton

And, bomb oil not refineries. Japan actually runs a surplus in refineries, not a bad target to hit but oil is better.

We have an HR to not bomb oil until 1-1-43. Well, the calendar just flipped and I turned the bombers loose on Magwe's oil this turn.. [:)]

I haven't had much experience here as I've only played Japan as yet, but it seems to me that bombing manpower takes care of everything in the hex. No? I did it one game to Calcutta just to see what would happen. Everything was reduced when I checked, and believe me I didn't bomb much, only when my guys were just being cake eaters with nothing else to do would I send some to night bomb the place.

ORIGINAL: dave sindel

ORIGINAL: crsutton

And, bomb oil not refineries. Japan actually runs a surplus in refineries, not a bad target to hit but oil is better.

We have an HR to not bomb oil until 1-1-43. Well, the calendar just flipped and I turned the bombers loose on Magwe's oil this turn.. [:)]

Actually, don't like this HR. I allows the Japanese player to leave his oil protection centers unprotected and move all of his fighters to the front lines. Really gives him a boost when he least needs it. A carrier raid on an oil production facility early in the game will serve to keep your opponent honest-even if you avoid bombing oil out of principal.

ORIGINAL: crsutton

ORIGINAL: dave sindel

ORIGINAL: crsutton

And, bomb oil not refineries. Japan actually runs a surplus in refineries, not a bad target to hit but oil is better.

We have an HR to not bomb oil until 1-1-43. Well, the calendar just flipped and I turned the bombers loose on Magwe's oil this turn.. [:)]

Actually, don't like this HR. I allows the Japanese player to leave his oil protection centers unprotected and move all of his fighters to the front lines. Really gives him a boost when he least needs it. A carrier raid on an oil production facility early in the game will serve to keep your opponent honest-even if you avoid bombing oil out of principal.

This is my first PBEM game, and also my first campaign game. I had minimal experience with AE when I agreed to some of the HR that my opponent proposed. I won't do this again if I do another PBEM. I realize now that I took away some options for the Allies that I shouldnt have.

Resurrecting this thread, with a request for some additional insights. I managed to pulverize Magwe, and then soon thereafter the base "switched sides" so now I get to repair all the damage I created. I have started using the B-24's to city attack Rangoon at night and have been focusing on "manpower" as my target. I've started some fires - but I'm wondering what damage those fires cause, and to what extent I need continue in order to create "industry destroying" fires? I looked in the manual, but couldnt find any description of fires or damage levels.

BBFanboy wrote this earlier in the thread.
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Only fires will totally, permanently destroy industry, or the destruction caused by engineers when a base changes hands. To get damaging fires you need to bomb Manpower and there has to be enough of that to create a firestorm that lasts for days.
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So, how much is enough ?

A firestorm takes really massive 4E effort. You almost certainly don't have it in this era. I don't know the numbers--don't know if any player really does--but I've had 150,000 fires and didn't get one.

Manpower will do damage, but it's pretty random and you can go a long time without seeing much. It doesn't do much to LI without a lot of bombs. It can hurt factories, but those are mostly in the HI. It's fairly good on HI, but don't expect miracles. Oil, if dense, I've always had more luck targeting directly, even at night. Fires can also take down some supply. But 4E strat bombing takes a lot of effort, supply, and av support. It's not a one-hit wonder.

Thanks Moose. Your assumption is correct - I've got about 8 squadrons of B-24's available for this effort. I didnt notice much oil there, wouldnt that be affected by no oil flowing from Magwe now ?

ORIGINAL: dave sindel

Thanks Moose. Your assumption is correct - I've got about 8 squadrons of B-24's available for this effort. I didnt notice much oil there, wouldnt that be affected by no oil flowing from Magwe now ?

Not sure what you are getting at here- Rangoon has no oil production to recon and if the enemy holds it you should not have any intel on the oil stocks.

What oil there was from Magwe can be sent to Moulmein by rail and then down the gray road to Tavoy or Mergui where it can trickle one hex through the jungle to Bangkok. Supply does this so I do not see why oil would not.

Re: the fire storms, I have achieved fires over 1 million (B-29s in the Downfall scenario) but they quickly die down to a few thousands that burn for days. This is where the industry damage seems to happen.
The alternative is to bomb each industry directly but the damage there is not permanent. It is limited to one point of repair per industry per day and uses 1000 supply for each, so later in the game it is pretty much the same as permanent damage. But early on the damage can be repaired.

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

ORIGINAL: dave sindel

Thanks Moose. Your assumption is correct - I've got about 8 squadrons of B-24's available for this effort. I didnt notice much oil there, wouldnt that be affected by no oil flowing from Magwe now ?

Not sure what you are getting at here- Rangoon has no oil production to recon and if the enemy holds it you should not have any intel on the oil stocks.

What oil there was from Magwe can be sent to Moulmein by rail and then down the gray road to Tavoy or Mergui where it can trickle one hex through the jungle to Bangkok. Supply does this so I do not see why oil would not.

Re: the fire storms, I have achieved fires over 1 million (B-29s in the Downfall scenario) but they quickly die down to a few thousands that burn for days. This is where the industry damage seems to happen.
The alternative is to bomb each industry directly but the damage there is not permanent. It is limited to one point of repair per industry per day and uses 1000 supply for each, so later in the game it is pretty much the same as permanent damage. But early on the damage can be repaired.

I thought that when I did a "mouseover" on Rangoon that I noticed "oil", but perhaps not. But if Rangoon has no oil production and Magwe is in Allied hands, there isnt any oil flowing out of Burma at all is there ?

ORIGINAL: dave sindel

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

ORIGINAL: dave sindel

Thanks Moose. Your assumption is correct - I've got about 8 squadrons of B-24's available for this effort. I didnt notice much oil there, wouldnt that be affected by no oil flowing from Magwe now ?

Not sure what you are getting at here- Rangoon has no oil production to recon and if the enemy holds it you should not have any intel on the oil stocks.

What oil there was from Magwe can be sent to Moulmein by rail and then down the gray road to Tavoy or Mergui where it can trickle one hex through the jungle to Bangkok. Supply does this so I do not see why oil would not.

Re: the fire storms, I have achieved fires over 1 million (B-29s in the Downfall scenario) but they quickly die down to a few thousands that burn for days. This is where the industry damage seems to happen.
The alternative is to bomb each industry directly but the damage there is not permanent. It is limited to one point of repair per industry per day and uses 1000 supply for each, so later in the game it is pretty much the same as permanent damage. But early on the damage can be repaired.

I thought that when I did a "mouseover" on Rangoon that I noticed "oil", but perhaps not. But if Rangoon has no oil production and Magwe is in Allied hands, there isnt any oil flowing out of Burma at all is there ?

There's a little in Ledo I think. I think it's the only other except for Magwe, but I don't recall every base.

My comments above about bombing oil were in general, not Rangoon-specific.