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RE: Sink the Kuznetsov

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 2:26 pm
by DrRansom
Gunner98 - maybe add in the threat of a Syrian coastal defense battery and a dispersed Russian ADN in Syria itself.

It would be interesting to see a scenario which stresses the difficulty of targeting road-mobile launchers in a congested environment. I don't know if CMANO has the ability to replicate the affect of urban terrain on searching for a target, though.

RE: Sink the Kuznetsov

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 5:09 pm
by mikkey
I look forward to this your new scenario Gunner98

RE: Sink the Kuznetsov

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 5:27 pm
by Tailhook
Would the French CDG group in the Eadtern Med be better suited for this than the RAF and RN? I wasn't able to figure out which ships are in that task force.

RE: Sink the Kuznetsov

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 6:37 pm
by AlGrant
Well it's not the Kuznetsov but I couldn't resist having a go at her big hitting escort the Petr Velikiy - but thought I'd approach it from a different direction:

"Harpy Swarm" Large numbers of small, slow, cheap 'suicide' UAV's.

Israel produces a couple of suitable systems that have been fairly widely exported (China, Turkey and others).
http://www.iai.co.il/2013/36694-en/Business_Areas_Land.aspx

So I set a very quick scenario:
Red = Petr Velikiy, 100nm off the coast under full EMCON
Blue = 1x Harpy TEL (48 UAV) ARM seeker head, 1x Harop TEL (48 UAV)
1x Hermes Jammer UAV and an E-3A to supply locating data.

Once the E-3 had a fix on the Petr V. I launched all 48 Harop's closely followed by all 48 Harpy's on a BOL.
The Hermes jammer ran along between each swarm.
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The Harops got in close enough that the first defences the Petr V. used were CIWS.
She took a good few down but enough got through to cause 39% damage, as she was under attack she also switched on her radars and the Harpy's soon got a target emission to lock on to.
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Petr V. sent out SAM's but many were jammed, CIWS also got involved but again engough UAV's got through to leave here with a total of 60% damage.

The Petr V's expenditure was
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56x 30mm Twin Gatling Gsh-6-30KD [375 rnds]
109x AK-130 130mm/54 Twin Frag Burst [2 rnds]
34x PK-10 Flare [SO-50]
55x SA-N-11b Grisom [9M311K-1]
32x SA-N-20b Gargoyle [48N6M]
69x SA-N-9 Gauntlet [9M330-2 Kinzhal]
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I also tried a run with the Petr V's radars on but it was pretty much the same story, she started shooting at longer range but jamming took care of most of them. Without a jammer the UAV's don't even get close!

These UAV swarms are certainly not an alternative to other forces, but a couple of well timed swarms can not only do some damage but could keep an opponents air defences busy whilst the bigger ASM's follow them in.

Edit:
just to add that I think the Harop might be a little too effective in Command.
The Harpy could easily cause serious damage to radars/sensors but I doubt the small Harop warhead would do as much damage against a Kirov hull.



RE: Sink the Kuznetsov

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 6:58 pm
by DrRansom
The Hermes seems a bit too effective? Would the ship have HOJ mode for its missiles?

Also, is the escorting Kirov recently modernized or out of date?

RE: Sink the Kuznetsov

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 7:33 pm
by ExNusquam
Pytor Veliky is dated at best. Her sister ships Lazarev and Nakhimov are both slated for refit and modernization but are not in service yet. Pyotr Veliky is scheduled for a refit in the 2019 timeframe.


RE: Sink the Kuznetsov

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 8:45 pm
by DrRansom
Ok, then the jamming makes sense, a modern jammer against an outdated radar. Though the Hermes can defeat a Tomb Stone?

RE: Sink the Kuznetsov

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 10:25 pm
by Gunner98
Gunner98 - maybe add in the threat of a Syrian coastal defense battery and a dispersed Russian ADN in Syria itself

Hadn't planned on being that fancy. Was planning on something mid Atlantic and isolated, sort of a sandbox. But that's an interesting idea. Will think about it.

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RE: Sink the Kuznetsov

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 1:01 pm
by StellarRat
From what I've been reading the Kuznetsov will sink all by itself if you can keep it out at sea for a while. [:)]