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RE: OT: Carrier onboard delivery in WW2

Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 4:21 am
by Buckrock
ORIGINAL: wdolson
I've never seen much on any kind of COD effort during WW II, though mail was a high priority for morale purposes. I suspect some regular combat equipped Avengers were probably used as mail planes at various times, but it wasn't any kind of formal effort.
In WWII, while the Avenger was best suited to the task, the USN used pretty much any of their available multi-seat carrier aircraft (including SBDs and
SB2Cs) for quick delivery of personnel, mail or light stores/equipment to their CVs when underway. For urgent deliveries at sea that were too large for
these aircraft, destroyers were normally used as a go-between, loading from a base or other ship and then coming alongside for the carrier to hoist the
needed cargo aboard.

As an illustration of a DD delivery express, during the Okinawa Campaign when TF 58 was heavily engaged with air operations in April, the fleet's
destroyers were used to keep the carriers topped up with a constant flow of needed stores and equipment from the replenishment fleet to reduce
the need for the carriers themselves to leave their operational area to re-supply.

For example, TF 58.1's USS Bennington received almost 10 tons of ships stores, aircraft drop-tanks and aviation supplies from the USS McKee and
USS Mansfield between the 22nd and 23rd April after the destroyers had earlier taken on their cargo from TF 50.8 (Replenishment). And as the
report below indicates, the Bennington barely paused during such deliveries...

USS Benington (Chronological Log extract of 23 April 1945)
0834-0848.....Launched DCAP #2 (4VMF, 8VF) and Strike Baker (4VF, 12VB, 12 VT).
0851-0912.....Recovered TCAP #1 and 2 Divisions of DCAP #1, 20 planes.
0939-0951.....USS Mansfield alongside to transfer belly tanks and spare aviation parts.
1002-1004.....Launched TCAP #4 (8VMF, 4VF)

.....

I'm sure the USN would have appreciated specialised COD aircraft in WWII but it seems the DD Express Delivery Service was able to sufficiently
meet the navy's needs in the meantime.

RE: OT: Carrier onboard delivery in WW2

Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 11:31 am
by Chickenboy
ORIGINAL: Jorge_Stanbury
besides I would be a bit scared of being close to one of these... you know... Oh, the humanity!

If memory suits, the US effectively cornered the market on production of Helium for its airships in WWII. Helium, being an 'inert' gas-and lighter than air-was a much safer choice.

RE: OT: Carrier onboard delivery in WW2

Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 11:32 am
by Chickenboy
ORIGINAL: rustysi
Not a problem. U.S. lighter than air vessels use helium, not hydrogen.

Gah! A day late (and a dollar short) in my reply. [;)]

RE: OT: Carrier onboard delivery in WW2

Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 7:33 pm
by bartrat
Texas natural gas and oil fields are among the few places on planet earth that Helium can be extracted from; the USA in WW1 and WW2 had a monopoly on it.

RE: OT: Carrier onboard delivery in WW2

Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 10:59 pm
by Jorge_Stanbury
would it be safe to say that the Japanese also used DDs to deliver urgent cargo?

by the way, another nice picture of a blimp landed on a carrier

looks like those blimp-to-ship landings happened mostly from the late 20s, early to mid 30s.


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RE: OT: Carrier onboard delivery in WW2

Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 1:20 am
by Buckrock
It would be safe to say the Japanese would have enjoyed the additional flexibility of DD at-sea deliveries if they'd ever had decent
replenishment fleets or sufficiently stocked forward bases from which their destroyers could pilfer.

And so you like balloons now. What's next, the IJN's Replenishment Kite Service?

RE: OT: Carrier onboard delivery in WW2

Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 9:37 am
by Jorge_Stanbury
why not?

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RE: OT: Carrier onboard delivery in WW2

Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:10 pm
by Buckrock
I just knew that photo was coming.[:)]