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RE: 2 problems : Spain and retreats
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:18 pm
by xwormwood
Blue Division was actually his way to stay out of the war while repaying a debt towards the Germans for their help during the Spanish Civil war (Legion Condor).
If minors would have a national morale as well, Spain would probably join the Axis with a rather low one. That would solve the problem quite nice.
Maybe Spain could leave the Axix once Gibraltar and Morocco & Algeria are under Axis control?
Another option: once spain reached 90%, the Axis player could get a couple of decision events to bring Spain into this alliance, just like the way Bill handled the Ottomans in SC WW1?
Up to a point where the UK gets DE to give Gibraltar & Malta toward Spain to keep the out of the war, or at least to slow the transit (just like Austria-Hungaria got a DE in SC WW1 to give away Trieste)?
RE: 2 problems : Spain and retreats
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:51 pm
by Iñaki Harrizabalagatar
Not only the Spanish economy was in ruins, the Spanish army was in no better condition.
In December 1940 Franco requested a preliminary study to the Spanish Army General HQ for an invasion of Portugal, the result showed that there was a complete lack of equipment and transport assets, even horses and mules, so that only one single division could be mobilized in one month. The Air Force was considered as incapable of provide any valuable support at all.
The Spanish army was a large garrison force with little operative capacity.
RE: 2 problems : Spain and retreats
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:09 pm
by crispy131313
ORIGINAL: Iñaki Harrizabalagatar
Not only the Spanish economy was in ruins, the Spanish army was in no better condition.
In December 1940 Franco requested a preliminary study to the Spanish Army General HQ for an invasion of Portugal, the result showed that there was a complete lack of equipment and transport assets, even horses and mules, so that only one single division could be mobilized in one month. The Air Force was considered as incapable of provide any valuable support at all.
The Spanish army was a large garrison force with little operative capacity.
This is well reflected in their starting position as well, with only half strength units, poor weapons and no motorization it is a hefty cost of German MPP to get the Spanish Army up to fighting strength and can take months to spare the MPP if Germany is active on another front.
RE: 2 problems : Spain and retreats
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:12 pm
by crispy131313
ORIGINAL: Xwormwood
Blue Division was actually his way to stay out of the war while repaying a debt towards the Germans for their help during the Spanish Civil war (Legion Condor).
If minors would have a national morale as well, Spain would probably join the Axis with a rather low one. That would solve the problem quite nice.
Maybe Spain could leave the Axix once Gibraltar and Morocco & Algeria are under Axis control?
Another option: once spain reached 90%, the Axis player could get a couple of decision events to bring Spain into this alliance, just like the way Bill handled the Ottomans in SC WW1?
Up to a point where the UK gets DE to give Gibraltar & Malta toward Spain to keep the out of the war, or at least to slow the transit (just like Austria-Hungaria got a DE in SC WW1 to give away Trieste)?
Acceptance of the Blue Division should reduce Spain's Axis leaning. The same should be said for Wolfram Imports.
RE: 2 problems : Spain and retreats
Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 6:04 am
by Iñaki Harrizabalagatar
ORIGINAL: crispy131313
ORIGINAL: Iñaki Harrizabalagatar
Not only the Spanish economy was in ruins, the Spanish army was in no better condition.
In December 1940 Franco requested a preliminary study to the Spanish Army General HQ for an invasion of Portugal, the result showed that there was a complete lack of equipment and transport assets, even horses and mules, so that only one single division could be mobilized in one month. The Air Force was considered as incapable of provide any valuable support at all.
The Spanish army was a large garrison force with little operative capacity.
This is well reflected in their starting position as well, with only half strength units, poor weapons and no motorization it is a hefty cost of German MPP to get the Spanish Army up to fighting strength and can take months to spare the MPP if Germany is active on another front.
Well, I rather differ, IMO their starting position should be no half strength corps, but full strength garrisons with no upgrade, and certainly no light armor unit and no Fighter unit.