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ORIGINAL: mikmykWS

Not sure why but every time spec111 posts I have this image of one guy screaming "Attack!!" leaping from his foxhole and getting promptly mowed down while his mates look at each other wondering what the heck was that all about.

Mike

"For my fresh scenario, I need to create about 10 platforms, about 5 types of buildings and 3-4 types of downloads! And also fix 3-4 errors in the database. And when will I get all this? Never. And how much does it take me? No more than 1 hour of time."

10 posts...I can do this all night. Just watching the Celtics and waiting.

Hey, you said good bye. I thought I could take the rest of the night off.

ORIGINAL: spec111

I really am not sure what you are getting at. Do you want an argument? Because there is none. These guys built something, you don't like it. Why are you using it? I pointed out the options available to you.

And you haven't answered my basic question. You said you paid for a database editor. Can you prove that? Because I haven't seen a single person on this forum that thought they were getting one. So can you at least answer that basic question. At least then we have a foundation for a real argument. Because up to this point there really isn't an argument to be had. You've come with nothing except a little yelling.

Also...so you couldn't find one single scenario you liked or was of a high enough quality to play? Do you want some suggestions?

Faсepalm... [:D] Everything is so bad? Bro, I do not spend my time on such traumatized people. So go sell this crap to someone else. About 10 years ago I would have spent a lot of time on your troubles and on demonstrating your logical\manipulative mistakes to you - but now I just do not care. Especially on the Internet. So bye! [:-]

I am assuming this means you aren't going to answer even the most basic question then?

ORIGINAL: thewood1

ORIGINAL: spec111

I really am not sure what you are getting at. Do you want an argument? Because there is none. These guys built something, you don't like it. Why are you using it? I pointed out the options available to you.

And you haven't answered my basic question. You said you paid for a database editor. Can you prove that? Because I haven't seen a single person on this forum that thought they were getting one. So can you at least answer that basic question. At least then we have a foundation for a real argument. Because up to this point there really isn't an argument to be had. You've come with nothing except a little yelling.

Also...so you couldn't find one single scenario you liked or was of a high enough quality to play? Do you want some suggestions?

Faсepalm... [:D] Everything is so bad? Bro, I do not spend my time on such traumatized people. So go sell this crap to someone else. About 10 years ago I would have spent a lot of time on your troubles and on demonstrating your logical\manipulative mistakes to you - but now I just do not care. Especially on the Internet. So bye! [:-]

I am assuming this means you aren't going to answer even the most basic question then?

If you start a conversation with ad hominems, instead of arguments - this is an immediate disqualification in a serious discussion. In real life, this ends with your own eaten teeth. (Yes, it is me on my avatar.) On the Internet - with the ignore. So be virtually though somewhere else... I just dont buy your virtual crap. Bye! =)

ORIGINAL: spec111

ORIGINAL: mikmykWS

Not sure why but every time spec111 posts I have this image of one guy screaming "Attack!!" leaping from his foxhole and getting promptly mowed down while his mates look at each other wondering what the heck was that all about.

Mike

"For my fresh scenario, I need to create about 10 platforms, about 5 types of buildings and 3-4 types of downloads! And also fix 3-4 errors in the database. And when will I get all this? Never. And how much does it take me? No more than 1 hour of time."

I understand. The rationale behind not enabling DB edit is below. I'm 100% sure it was written prior to a ship date.

http://www.warfaresims.com/?page_id=2920#1101

Maybe a better approach would be to add your needed updates to a post in the db string? If they are there that's great. Guys will get to them when they can.

Thanks!

Mike

ORIGINAL: spec111

ORIGINAL: thewood1

ORIGINAL: spec111


Faсepalm... [:D] Everything is so bad? Bro, I do not spend my time on such traumatized people. So go sell this crap to someone else. About 10 years ago I would have spent a lot of time on your troubles and on demonstrating your logical\manipulative mistakes to you - but now I just do not care. Especially on the Internet. So bye! [:-]

I am assuming this means you aren't going to answer even the most basic question then?

If you start a conversation with ad hominems, instead of arguments - this is an immediate disqualification in a serious discussion. In real life, this ends with your own eaten teeth. (Yes, it is me on my avatar.) On the Internet - with the ignore. So be virtually though somewhere else... I just dont buy your virtual crap. Bye! =)

I don't think you have any idea how long the line to him is[:)]

Seriously though chill out with the threats. Its a forum violation and getting banned definitely won't get your request done any quicker.

Mike

ORIGINAL: mikmykWS

ORIGINAL: spec111

ORIGINAL: mikmykWS

Not sure why but every time spec111 posts I have this image of one guy screaming "Attack!!" leaping from his foxhole and getting promptly mowed down while his mates look at each other wondering what the heck was that all about.

Mike

"For my fresh scenario, I need to create about 10 platforms, about 5 types of buildings and 3-4 types of downloads! And also fix 3-4 errors in the database. And when will I get all this? Never. And how much does it take me? No more than 1 hour of time."

I understand. The rationale behind not enabling DB edit is below. I'm 100% sure it was written prior to a ship date.

http://www.warfaresims.com/?page_id=2920#1101

Maybe a better approach would be to add your needed updates to a post in the db string? If they are there that's great. Guys will get to them when they can.

Thanks!

Mike

I read all this many years ago. No, I still need a DB editor.

You simply did not foresee the main option for serious harpooners - when the user does not exchange their scens, but is experienced enough to edit the database himself.

Yes, I remember all these crashes in previous games. But I also remember that for months I expanded my custom database without any problems.

Once again - creating a game like CMANO without a database editor is crazy. Experienced players need such tool in any case. And the claims of newbies simply dont matter. They should use the usual scens, without custom databases.

If it comes to that, you can allow users to create custom databases, but not to distribute them! This is also real deal... =)

He already said he was done so I wouldn't hold my breathe on an db thread updates. It would be interesting to see the details on changes that could someone so fired to to threaten violence.

ORIGINAL: spec111

ORIGINAL: mikmykWS

ORIGINAL: spec111




"For my fresh scenario, I need to create about 10 platforms, about 5 types of buildings and 3-4 types of downloads! And also fix 3-4 errors in the database. And when will I get all this? Never. And how much does it take me? No more than 1 hour of time."

I understand. The rationale behind not enabling DB edit is below. I'm 100% sure it was written prior to a ship date.

http://www.warfaresims.com/?page_id=2920#1101

Maybe a better approach would be to add your needed updates to a post in the db string? If they are there that's great. Guys will get to them when they can.

Thanks!

Mike

I read all this many years ago. No, I still need a DB editor.

You simply did not foresee the main option for serious harpooners - when the user does not exchange their scens, but is experienced enough to edit the database himself.

Yes, I remember all these crashes in previous games. But I also remember that for months I expanded my custom database without any problems.

Once again - creating a game like CMANO without a database editor is crazy. Experienced players need such tool in any case. And the claims of newbies simply dont matter. They should use the usual scens, without custom databases.

If it comes to that, you can allow users to create custom databases, but not to distribute them! This is also real deal... =)

You'll have to take your proposal to Warfaresims. I'm retired from the biz permanently and just help out.

I'd suggest putting together a proposal on how to do what you'd like while still satisfying their concerns. They're reasonable people but at the end of the day it is their game and IP.

Mike

ORIGINAL: mikmykWS

ORIGINAL: spec111

ORIGINAL: thewood1




I am assuming this means you aren't going to answer even the most basic question then?

If you start a conversation with ad hominems, instead of arguments - this is an immediate disqualification in a serious discussion. In real life, this ends with your own eaten teeth. (Yes, it is me on my avatar.) On the Internet - with the ignore. So be virtually though somewhere else... I just dont buy your virtual crap. Bye! =)

I don't think you have any idea how long the line to him is[:)]

Seriously though chill out with the threats. Its a forum violation and getting banned definitely won't get your request done any quicker.

Mike

This is not a threat. I understand the difference between the Internet and real life. I'm talking about the fact that we are on the Internet and he does not need to behave as he does. And I just ignored him, cause i know difference between virtual and real aggressiveness. And first doesnt impress me. That's all.

Sigh! Once again, probably not much point in continuing this thread. Kinda like arguing with a 3rd rate lawyer - no real facts but an endless recitation of references and self accomplishments. I vote to lock it and let him stew in his own juices.

ORIGINAL: stilesw

Sigh! Once again, probably not much point in continuing this thread. Kinda like arguing with a 3rd rate lawyer - no real facts but an endless recitation of references and self accomplishments. I vote to lock it and let him stew in his own juices.

"For my fresh scenario, I need to create about 10 platforms, about 5 types of buildings and 3-4 types of combat loads! And also fix 3-4 errors in the database. And when will I get all this? Never. And how much does it take for me? No more than 1 hour of time."

This is a fact and a real situation. And this situation has already been repeated several times. The developers tried to protect the community of novice players and unload their support service, but they did not take into account the interests of experienced players with other, but pretty common for serious wargame, needs.

I demand the possibility of creating custom databases for myself! I'm not going to distribute them. Just like I'm not going to distribute my scens. But such feature is extremely important to me. I paid for the game for this. And I, like many other experienced players, do not like this situation.

Before I become the villain here, lets recap with actual words of the OP...

"Guys! This is crazy! We need this DB editor! And we must stop this hard-coded nonsense!

I'm tired of waiting for months of corrections and changes that I can make in a minute! I'm tired of bothering because the variant of some aircraft that I need for my "what if" mission, will never appear in game! I'm tired of manually adding complex ship modifications each time for my micro-campaign! Enough!

Let's just admit that we dont need you!The less we have you - than better for us!! You can develop DB3000, you can not to develop it... We dont care! Honestly... we dont need it! DB is good enough!

Once again - we dont need you! We pay you not for these problems and not for this endless begging! If we needed this, we would go to another zombie-MMO. Let's honestly admit that often we are better than you, we have more books, we know more languages ​​and we have more insane fantasies.

You tried to put DB under control. But it doesnt work. And it creates a lot of problems for us.

Just stop it! And give us an DB-editor..."

And another gem...

"But there is one problem - we pay for all this! I pay for all this!" (and he bolded it)

One more...

"No, most CMANO scens are crap. I dont need them."

So an abridged version...

1) He claims he better than the devs and knows more than them
2) So he claims the devs aren't delivering on something he bought, thus some kind of weird fraud going on.
3) He completely dismisses and denigrates all scenario builders because he appears to be the only one who can build a good database and scenario.

So I think he has just about covered with insults and disrespect everyone who has ever contributed to this game as devs or the community. And these are just the highlights. I am sure there is more in there.

Yeah seriously this thread needs to end. It's impossible to reason with people like this.

To paraphrase one of my favorite memes:

"Arguing with stubborn CMANO players:

It's like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good I am a chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces and strut around like it is victorious"



Having been down this road a few times on the Steam discussions, once it is established that the individual in question will not listen to reason, it is best to close the thread and ignore them.

...and that doesn't even cover threatening violence when confronted with how impetuous, immature, and illogical he is being.

Someone quote me so he can see my response

It's best to remain calm in these situations.

I think the best course of action at this point is to close the thread, hit spec111 with a one day ban or something, and leave this thread as an example of how not to behave properly on a forum.

While we’re making demands, I demand that Matrix hire a maid and personal chef for me. I am a paying customer after all.

As long as we are throwing out unreasonable demands, I'd like to be appointed SACEUR, I'll put up a defense so strong Putin won't even think of invading the Baltics.