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Well, I sent my F9ing tanks down the F9ing road and right into the F9ing sight of the two F9ing 47mmATGs. So what the F9 is a guy supposed to do. (do I sound like a trucker yet?):)

I lost two tanks and got two tanks. I sent in the Mech units. I shot up the 47mmATG and the MG with them but I don't know how hurt they are. The Mech companies are the strenghth that tips the balance. Where they are The French control and little will stop them, except maybe more 47mm and more R35s and R39s than I thought that I would ever see in this match. Wearing red and white (without the blue) they come crashing through the hedge rows one after the other after the other. What the F9??

Then when I thought , well I'll put this turn to bed after taking out a couple more partisans (whimpy partisans against hefty hefty Sumoas), along come a barrage of 100mm the likes of which have not been seen in this peaceful Polish country side. Birds squawk, gophers hump, bees buzz in circles, and ground hogs go to ground. What a sausage grinder. Me thinks you was playing possum Capt P. I hate to look. (them gophers are always humping, and not big packs)(thought I'd forgotten hadn't yah?)

Run away Run away.

Go to it Capt P. Yah motherless monster of mayhem.

Hi guys,

I’ve just looked at the replay of the French turn. It sure looks like CP got his hands full.

But I wouldn’t be too sure if I was a Buzzard… :rolleyes:

Enjoy your game
/Lars

Well, we had a little more of the same. Lots of Polish tankettes tinking pot shots off of the mighty French armor. Many shots hit, but none can actually penetrate their mystical protection. :rolleyes:

One tank, at point-blank range finally convinced a French crew to bail on the third hit! (My only real hope is that he'll break his guns shooting at my trucks. )

None of the AT guns got a shot at a tank. From what I could tell from the frantic runners was that my ad-hoc AT defenses were ripped apart by Mech infantry. They arrived before my transports and passengers could disperse. It was ugly.

Infantry advances have been stalled on both sides across the center and south. Polish artillery continues to pound on the armor advance and the southern defenses.

Partisans lurk in ever-growing numbers in the French rear area. If you think hemorroids are troublesome, you ain't seen nuthin yet!

Back at ya, Buzzard.

Those back country hicks are just a pain. They have so far caused little damage but we'll see what else shows up.

I need some ammo for a number of units and I could use better radios to get through to those idiot off-board gunners.

The mighty French armor couldn't punch its way out of a paper bag this turn. several hits by the 47mm but no kills. The star was talented gunner in a FT-17 (some used piece of junk the Poles picked up at an auction sale) He stopped several Lorraines from close assaults and saved his and his flank-man's butt. I sent an R35 after him but no hits and no return fire until I tried to bring up another Lorraine full of MI. Then he shoots and hits:mad:

Best I could do was send some more poor Polish infantry and Engineers to the big waiting room. I did manage to route an AT or two but no "survivors disperse" from them.

Well, Capt Pixel. Its time to show your hand. Play 'em if you got 'em. More Frenchies are on their way.

We got one! We got one!

A couple of the French tanks brewed up this turn. I'd like to think it was due to skill and planning, but the truth of the matter is it was just dumb luck.

It seems like EVERYBODY's running away from this battle, French and Polish alike. The 'retreat' notices run across the screen for several seconds for both sides. We're just having a hard time getting the boys to stay and fight.

A Polish engineer attempted an assualt on the rear of a French tank and botched it up good. An adjacent Polish tank plinked a few 37mm shots off the same target - and did nothing. An AT team then tried to pound the same poor Frenchie, also to no avail.

Partisans scramble around in the French backfield. Mostly they're getting their a$$es shot off. At least the Somua chasing Partisans in the rear area aren't driving around at the battlefront - yet!

This is truly pathetic. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Capt. Pixel

This is truly pathetic. :rolleyes:

Pathetic yet strangely kinda fun. Its such a thrill to see a section stand their ground that you just want to protect them and not let them get hurt but the ones you want to get rid of just keep running.

I got a tank or two but the guns don't hit like they oughta. Must be all the movement. Even the light tanks seem to take killing hits that just bounce and non-lethal hits are. Go figure

I like Lorraines. They do a good job. So much so that a whole new raft of them just came on board along wih some decent guns fresh from the factory. So new that they haven't been sighted in yet and are expected to miss wildly. "Try a little more windage" Yeah that's it.

I should back-up and wait for them but.... Naw, that's too much like retreating and mon petite garcons do enough of that.

Come on Capt. Hit me where it hurts:D right in the ___ OHH!!!???

Buzzards don't hang low there:eek:


__Beak.

FOR SALE:
Almost new French Rifles. Never fired. Only dropped once.

Yep, the Poles are beginning to galvanize. (As best as Poles can, anyway) :rolleyes:

Almost nothing seems to affect the French armor, particularly the Char B1s. Entire platoons of R-39s and R-40s are tackling the French armor push, but nothing seems to work. They continue to advance.

In the south, the French are beginning to stumble. Piecemeal infantry are being chewed apart by the valiant Polish. We're fighting uphill (up cliffs, actually), but we're making progress nonetheless.

One revealing fact is that there are probably three times as many French units in retreat as there are Poles. This might be due to my more effective ad-hoc defense, but it's probably just reflecting the fact that I've had a large amount of casualties. Dead guys don't retreat.

We're half way through this game, but I don't know if either of us can make it another 11 turns.

I found a new byline for you, Buzz.

"If God had meant for us to enjoy flying and dining, He would have made us all Buzzards."

Gene Perret - Someday I Want to Go to All the Places My Luggage Has Been

Originally posted by Capt. Pixel
I found a new byline for you, Buzz.

"If God had meant for us to enjoy flying and dining, He would have made us all Buzzards."

Gene Perret - Someday I Want to Go to All the Places My Luggage Has Been

ROFLMAO :rolleyes: :p :rolleyes: :p :rolleyes: :p :rolleyes: :p :rolleyes:

Or is it the 12th?

No partisans were spotted this time so we head for the front. I know that there is at least one more and likely two. I'll search for them soon.

I give ground in the south hoping to regroup. Everyone is heading that way anyway so I just follow. In a turn or two the tide will change again. My haevy arty is pounding the advance up the road but I can't see any effect. I just can't see.

The North sees more Tank to tank action. Everyone else is running. My Char Bis takes out one R40 or was it a 35? Also two of two of those recycled things from WWI went down to R35s. All other shots bounced like an India rubber ball.

The North road looks open but who knows. I need to get to those 81mm mortars. I silence them and CP is done. No arty, no routing, no running (who am I fooling??)

Come on Capt. lets punch those wet paper bags and move on out.

Carrion my wayward friend! There'll be peas when we are done.

I'm thinking the Poles have a hard time running when their pants are full of cr@p.

It seems the French push has lost some steam. No doubt the incessant irritation of 75 and 81mm shells raining down from Polish artillery is helping.

Even though I've set some nasty ambushes along his advance, my pathetic little pea-shooters just can't make a dent. 40mm AA are starting to join the fireline. This is not good news.

Next up are going to be the howitzers direct firing into the advancing French armor. This is the last act of defiance, when I start commiting my artillery to direct fire confrontations.

Many wagons and trucks, their usefulness as transports evaporating, are either heading for the retreat hex or serving as OpFire decoys. (I know it's cheap, but I'm getting my @$$ so whipped, I'm getting desperate. :rolleyes:

At least Buzzard's not rolling through me without a fight.

Ha !! As if anyone could just roll through the defenses you put up.

Hoards of partisans. Dozens of engineers. ATGs by the score. AUX tanks that can only be penetrated but luck or a CharBis monsters and NOW. Bofors 40mm!!! That kill my tanks!!!

This is no stroll through the Tulips, my friend. I'm a tip-toeing with big sticks and I still can't punch a hole. 2/3s of my mighty French forces are running and I'm trying to fight while arty takes croisant breaks every second turn. bitch bitch bitch grumble grumble grumble. I sound like a ____ with PMS.

Despite the routed units, tanks that can't hit anything not new for me. and the general lack of cohesive command that is me its a lot of fun smashing and bashing and not hurting much of anything.

I'm just running with what still answers the horns and whistles. You have been pushing forward in the south. Me in the north. Sounds pretty even to me. Some your tanks die this turn. One of mine dies. Some of my infantry are routed some of your partisans get wasted.

Its a good game. BTW I am not bailing any crews in this game.

Did you see this?

The Poles are kicking butt.

showthread.php?s=&postid=457901#post457901

I could bait Jess' Germans with a stick and a wet blanket.

Against a competent opponent (and that's an understatement concerning you, buddy) the Poles are a real challenge.

I haven't dropped out, just busy in other things. Please have patience for my poor performance in turning this game turn around. I'll do it soon. Promise. :rolleyes:

Buzzard, your lunch is lying on the road (in the form of dead or retreating Polish tanker crews :rolleyes: )

Not much exciting happened in the last 2 minutes.
Some Voltiguers have been driven back from the southern hill.
Several Citroens got smart and exited the battlefield. (No medals for them!)
Much noise was made by Polish ATGs and AAs, but nothing much was accomplished. (I did use up some more of my precious ammo, tho') I might as well be fighting Tigers for all the good it's doing me.
The collapsing Polish front is congealing into a target-rich environment even as the French stop and nosh on crullers and cheap wine.

Kill me already! If you've got the cajones. :p

I see your reinforcements, and I am not afraid (much )

Originally posted by Capt. Pixel
even as the French stop and nosh on crullers and cheap wine.

Yep, That's what they are doing.

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Kill me already! If you've got the cajones. :p [/QUOTE] After lunch, have patience. MMMM eyeballs!!~

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I see your reinforcements, and I am not afraid (much ) [/QUOTE]

Be afraid, be very afraid. Long barreled guns shoot straight AND far. He he he he.

I think I'd like a little Polish Squash. They tend to stick to the tank treads though and it makes them hard to .... well you get the picture.

Its not over yet but it is getting close. Just let me try these expensive new guns. They even came with their own ammo trucks. New toys and all that...

(oh jeez, now I'm sounding like M4 Jess. Just shoot me)

The Poles are in retreat. (No news there) It's not quite a rout, but holes are being eaten in my lines everywhere.

Citroens and wagons are being pulled to the rear area before we lose our retreat hex. We're gonna need something to evacuate the civilians.

Armor superiority for the French is becoming dominate on the battlefield. 40mm AA, 47mm AT, R-40s and H-35s can't stop them. Hits bounce off like rubber balls. We can hear the French tank crews laughing. Aiieeee!

In all respect, my Polish troops are doing their darndest to hold what they can, but we're slowly being forced back by the determined French. They're causing some French casualties, but not enough, I'll warrant. We fight on, desperately.

I find it amazing that a squad will step into the line of fire from a Hotchkiss, take multiple fire and appear to be totally unaffected by it. This is particularly disconcerting as this is a H2H game and MGs are considerably more deadly than in 7.1.

Buzzard would tell you that he's taking a lot of Opfire. (I DO know how to mount a defense) But that much of it (all of it?) has little or no effect on his troops or tanks. It's been quite disappointing, all in all. The Poles are just pathetic, and there's no way around it. Never again. Never again.

CP you do make a fine defence. Infantry in front of MGs and AT. ATGs and MGs always paired. This turn you used your own advice too much (How to make the most of your direct fire) and set too many MGs and ATGs to low ranges. I walked up with Mech units and killed them. :p

Your forces are pretty much surrounded with only one road east left open and I threaten that. The stand you made on the south hill is collapsing as I advance up the road. You still hold the centre hill but it is a lost cause as the front is shrinking around it on four sides. Even though I lose 3 AFVs this turn, I have plenty of reserves to take the field. My AUX are just now getting to the front. They are mostly guns and transport as I had so much armor left.

I will agree to honorable terms and your wounded will receive medical attention. My doctors are well aquainted with amputation and I love the left-overs (mmmm!!) Polish drumsticks;)

I been having fun with it. Everyone should try it.

We should have played '44 or '45, it would have been more equal. The only time I played it in that way, the Polish had good morale and pushed back the French( I was French). The lend -lease armor was pretty much the same. You said it at the beginning, " I am in trrooubble".
Its the equipment. I was less cautious than usual because the tanks were pretty much involnerable. I also keep my companies intact, with their platoon commanders and company leaders. It makes a huge difference to moral and rally. I have had to bring my HQ forward to stop a few routed units but they turn around quick enough and don't run off the map.

Aaargh - It' over. I am a lunchable for the Buzzard45.

My right flank is virtually gone. This is where I positioned my less-than-useful AUX tanks. Nothing but smoking hulks left there. The best armor available to the Poles, and it couldn't do squat. Even French Cavalry were wandering about unmolested.

My left flank is brittle and fracturing rapidly. There are two more layers of MG and AA guns overlooking any further French advance, but he's not really required to move any further to achieve his objectives.

My center currently commands their objectives and have a nice view of the battlefield. But a single platoon of Polish Rifles isn't going to last long. Now that they're almost totally surrounded.

My artillery managed to move from the right flank threat and get repositioned, but too little, too late, I'm afraid.

On the one hand, you may be right about holding my ranged fire to 0 from the ATGs. On the other hand, you were wrong about the MGs - they were set to 20 Range. engaging the enemy at those ranges is probably what got them killed. It wasn't so much that you 'walked up and kille them' as you drew their Opfire at range and then charged in with those fast APCs (Lorraines) to finish them off.

The ATGs did perform exactly as I wanted. That is, they didn't fire until I was ready to engage. Unfortunately, when I chose to engage, they were almost totally ineffective at damaging French equipment. Given the short to medium engagement range (mostly determined by the terrain, ~8 hexes or closer), after 2 or 3 shots, they were spotted and remained so until they were destroyed. Oh well.

Even the best of strategies can fail under extreme situations. (That's an excuse, if you didn't recognize it. Feeble, ain't it? :rolleyes: ))

I did get the sense that you'd over-extended your flanking force and was hoping to capitalize on that unbalance with my AUX forces. It might have worked except for the 'rubber ball' ammo given out by munitions. The almost constant 'Hit - ricochet, Hit - bounce' was just getting to be too much to handle.)

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Buzzard and I have been discussing aside how one might make a more balanced Meeting Engagement between these two belligerents in '40.

The only method I could arrive at might be to limit Rarity of equipment to 0 or 1. Even that leaves the French with a decided armor advantage (Char B1), but at the cost of most of their artillery selections being eliminated. Were the French really that hard up for artillery in '40?

Other suggestions included 'borrowing' units from the Brits or Soviets, or increasing the points by 20% or more for the Poles.

All-in-all, I think the Poles as modelled in 1940 were only suitable for defense, and probably not terribly competent in that capacity either.

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Good game Buzzard45, you skunked me and you skunked me well. I was reeling backwards within a couple of turns of the initial contact and you never let me regain my balance.

Congratulations, you were, without a doubt, the better commander in this battle.

'Tip of the Hat' old chum. Well done.