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Hi

Do you know what causes Caucasus cities/ports(Grozny etc) supply to be reduced?

I think DE 603 is BS by the way but will carry on

ty

This was before you invaded Algiers or executed 603.

I told you 603 was a game ender and quit when you executed 603.

Ahistorical is 603 & 14 air units in Siwa Egypt.

My offer stands.

Sugar

Also in our game DE 603 shouldn't have fired because I still had 2 units with 5 hexes of Casablanca. So I had a right to quit.

More importantly you weren't winning by fall '41 ( or at least by much). I had taken out a German medium bomber , 2 It armies & a It tank.

You had made minimal progress in USSR and only taken El Al amen (I still had large Brit force left).



So I have a new offer

NO DE 603, NO DAK, No more than 3 bombers in Algiers after its fall (unless Allies Attack then no limit)

What do you say?

I have to laugh a bit because you did the same in our game. There was no agreement before, no houserule, nothing... game quit. Just because I took Algier. Again this DE603 thing what I didn't even need. I only wanted to conquer that country to prevent the US from threating Italy later. Spain was above 80% or 85% at that time and there were still many turns to go before Barbarossa starts. The US were far far away from joining. So there was no reason for me to spend money on DE603 when Spain would join in a few turns anyway.

Demanding that someone does not use this or that and not giving and compensation is ridiculous.

In our game you said (after you already quit) that you stop playing when DE603 is fired (what did NOT happen and was not intended)!
You don't want to see the Axis using amphibious assaults on Algier!
Now it is the whole DAK you don't want to see AND no more than the three bombers!

Anything else?

If someone tells me that I must not use amphibous units on Algier that simply means that my opponend doesn't have to prepare to take Casablanca in time. It also means that he can use the Royal Navy to perform other tasks instead being ready to prevent an attack on Algier. What comes next? Italian fleet has to stay in the Adriatic Sea? Germans must not attack Be/Ne/Lux before April 1940? They must not take Malta?

You know what I mean... nothing to say against house rules or some gentlemens agreements and especially not if that helps to make the game more balanced. But that just sounds like "what I need to win is...........". And I really hope that is not intended.

NOTICE TO ALL PLAYERS IF YOU USE DE 603 I AM GOING TO QUIT

You're right I should have told you I would quit with DE 603 like I told Sugar. He even shows me saying DE 603 is BS in the email ( he left off the date & inter game conversations).

Seasoned players shouldn't come back under new ID's and say they are new either, ya know what I mean?

You two guys need DE 603 to win, and by any measure its BS


Why don't you let Sugar fight his own battles.


Its three bombers in Algiers (which I doubt would have been logistically possible) after Algiers falls.

It was your buddy Sugar who recommended no DAK.


So I have a new offer Sugar(Mika)

NO DE 603, NO DAK, No more than 3 bombers in Algiers after its fall (unless Allies Attack then no limit)

What do you say?

I don't think you need house rules for no DE 603 or no DAK, I believe you can toggle these in the scripts section. So you can start up a game with those decisions disabled.

ORIGINAL: PJL1973

I don't think you need house rules for no DE 603 or no DAK, I believe you can toggle these in the scripts section. So you can start up a game with those decisions disabled.

Thank You

I'll have to figure that out. Unfortunately there are no comments when you start a PBEM game to tell changes.

I just started Weiss 14.0 hopefully it fixes some of these shortcomings these guys use to win.

I mean really DE 603.

DAK was Sugars idea DE 603 & planes what's important to me.

ORIGINAL: PJL1973

I don't think you need house rules for no DE 603 or no DAK, I believe you can toggle these in the scripts section. So you can start up a game with those decisions disabled.

I don't see how you change scripts in a PBEM game. If you change it in single player will it be changed in PBEM?

thanks

ORIGINAL: Ktonos

thanks mate! I think its my 6th currently active. At a time before a couple of days I had 8, but 2 of them finished.

Sure would be nice to have a ranking system. So we could see everyone's progression & performance.

[:)]

I never thought of ranking

Sounds like a good idea

I concur with ranking in any tactical/strategic multiplayer game; main reason being it produces healthy pairs. You want an easy game to experiment with some things? Want a tough game to get challenged? You can have a ranking table and act accordingly. I was playing Steel Division for a while and this was a major issue there. People complained all the time; "Ugh opponents are experts", "umf opponents are noobs".

As far as rankings are concerned, well there are Elo ratings software that can work out the Elo ratings for people in a league / ladder.

Interesting

I was thinking for everyone, I guess people could opt out. It would make the game more transparent and add a new dimension. I think people would be more interested and involved if they had a rank and could achieve a higher one.

Just a thought, it looks like other games have a similar system.

I don't know how hard it would be to program, maybe your solution is the easiest. People have to sign up tho which is a big hurdle.

I like the ranking idea - Dilly Dilly

A bunch of games have something similar

It gives something to work for

I'd like to re-introduce this concept.

Check out Amadeus BSing some guy that he is new in the tech support section. This guy (Amadeus) has been posting in SC3 since 2016, played in tourny in Feb.

Thats why we need a ranking because of people like this.

This is so pathetic.

[:@]

ORIGINAL: PvtBenjamin

Check out Amadeus BSing some guy that he is new in the tech support section. This guy (Amadeus) has been posting in SC3 since 2016, played in tourny in Feb.

Thats why we need a ranking because of people like this.

This is so pathetic.

[:@]

Based on my experience in multiple online wargaming organizations, I would assume that is probably not really that uncommon. The problem with it is that it can ruin a new guy on PBEM altogether. Had Amadeus not submitted that screenshot to identify a bug, no one would ever have been the wiser. His opponent, however, might forego the game entirely after having his head royally handed to him by another "Rookie". Can you imagine the effect if Sugar portrayed himself as a snot nosed, Rookie in a game against a genuine Newbie? OMG!!! [X(]

The only thing you can do is call attention to it, and publicly censure the guy for his subterfuge as you have done. The problem with that is that only a few people will ever read the forums to see it, and the chances of you ever discovering it happening are really very slim. Such prevarication is not good for our hobby, but some people are really serious about winning, despite any ramifications that may be caused by their methods. They think it is all about them. It isn't, but some people never do manage to figure that out.

Shame on you, Amadeus! [:-]

I suggest a three tier system.

First tier is Sugar
Second tier is KZ
Third tier is 'The plebes' [:D]

j/k, a basic elo score next to the name would be ideal but even just displaying the number of game played would be enough.

Good points DerJager

Unfortunately there is a group of players that think its just good clean fun to deceive a new player and then pummel them. This was my initial PBEM experience and it drives people away from the PBEM experience.