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RE: Betty recon unit at Roi-Namur does not work.
Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 3:06 pm
by Yaab
They are not recon. Sift the manual for any penalties for small bomber units.
RE: Betty recon unit at Roi-Namur does not work.
Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 3:36 pm
by Dili
I put 3 and 4 sized Sonias chutais doing recon without any issue.
RE: Betty recon unit at Roi-Namur does not work.
Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 3:40 pm
by Lowpe
The normal recon flight is 4 planes, so off the bat you are at 50% strength. Those pilots aren't trained in recon, aren't flying recon planes, so their effectiveness is really small.
My guess is they are failing some kind of check do to being so few planes, or they might be flying and getting no useful data (but I kind of doubt that as you are experienced and would probably see that they are flying in the AAR and this also applies to weather).
I am assuming they are flying from a size 4 runway that isn't overcrowded or over stacked with good supply and AV support.
Are any planes set to rest or some other type of duty like search?
RE: Betty recon unit at Roi-Namur does not work.
Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 4:05 pm
by Dili
When you use a 2 size floatplane unit - or even 1 size - for recon it does fly. Maybe not always but they fly.
These don't fly either for Bombing. Yes Roi Namur is 4 sized, i also tested them in Truk against Kavieng and other Bismarck Isl. No flights either for bombing or recon.
RE: Betty recon unit at Roi-Namur does not work.
Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 5:48 pm
by rustysi
so I usually downgrade the sub-unit to Nell and re-attach it.
Tah-dah, simplest solution and what I've always done.[:D]
RE: Betty recon unit at Roi-Namur does not work.
Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 6:27 pm
by RangerJoe
Or just disband it into a Betty unit.
RE: Betty recon unit at Roi-Namur does not work.
Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 12:27 am
by Mike Solli
Use it for naval search. I've been doing that for game years. Same pilots the whole time.

RE: Betty recon unit at Roi-Namur does not work.
Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 12:50 am
by RangerJoe
Of course YOU would know how to use it, it is a Japanese unit. American units on the other hand . . .
RE: Betty recon unit at Roi-Namur does not work.
Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:15 am
by Barb
The unit is probably failing a few checks (each reducing number of planes flying a mission by 25%-50% or so) and the resulting fraction is less than 1 - rounded down this would be 0...
RE: Betty recon unit at Roi-Namur does not work.
Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 3:19 pm
by Yaab
Barb, your idea ( and the avatar) has legs.
RE: Betty recon unit at Roi-Namur does not work.
Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 3:49 pm
by Grfin Zeppelin
ORIGINAL: adarbrauner
ORIGINAL: Gräfin Zeppelin
Very likely an abysmal commander is the culprit.
Welcome back finally
Than you

Technically I never left ^^
RE: Betty recon unit at Roi-Namur does not work.
Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:34 pm
by Dili
ORIGINAL: Yaab
Barb, your idea ( and the avatar) has legs.
Only the avatar. That way 1 Glen squadron in a submarine would never take off.
RE: Betty recon unit at Roi-Namur does not work.
Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 6:24 pm
by BillBrown
AFASIKT, Naval Search is not an offensive mission but Recon is. It makes a difference in die rolls.
RE: Betty recon unit at Roi-Namur does not work.
Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 3:58 pm
by Dili
Does not matter, like i said they don't take off for either.
RE: Betty recon unit at Roi-Namur does not work.
Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 6:16 pm
by LargeSlowTarget
I have repeated my test with the same setup except I have increased the size of the Betty recon unit to 4 planes.
Bingo!
OPERATIONAL REPORT FOR Dec 07, 41
G4M1 Betty-Rikko sighted over Wake Island
Japanese Level Bomber sighted over Wake Island
BB Oklahoma sinks in port
BB Arizona sinks in port
G4M1 Betty-Rikko sighted over Wake Island
Japanese Aircraft sighted over Wake Island
Edit: Same setup except unit size and it is not Scen006 since one cannot save a modded scenario in an official slot number.
RE: Betty recon unit at Roi-Namur does not work.
Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:46 pm
by Dili
What altitude you out it in editor?
RE: Betty recon unit at Roi-Namur does not work.
Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 10:07 pm
by LargeSlowTarget
Many if not most air units have alt = 0 in the editor. Seems to indicate a default setting since float planes are at 6k in the game, fighters at 10k and bombers at 15k in the game even if alt is 0 in the editor.
RE: Betty recon unit at Roi-Namur does not work.
Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 7:46 pm
by Dili
ok, did you employed the unit for more than one day? 1 week for example.