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ORIGINAL: Oberst_Klink

Have a look at the series of tutorials I have created in the past. They should help you in order to get started.

Tutorial '41: tm.asp?m=4382552
Tutorial '42: tm.asp?m=4387818
Tutorial '42 - Editor: tm.asp?m=4401098
Tutorial '43: tm.asp?m=4390285
Tutorial '43 - Combat: tm.asp?m=4394374
Tutorial '44: tm.asp?m=4397183
Tutorial '45: tm.asp?m=4412329

Klink, Oberst

Yeah, I have them saved and they helped me to start playing ( great job ), but not all the answers are there.

OK, I got two more.

1. What are the engineer units for? I don't see the option to build or blow up the bridges. The unit traits indicate: engineering 15%, minor ferry 24%, major ferry 13%. So what does it mean really? Are those units useful in assaulting the fortifications, or they shouldn't be used in combat if possible?

2. HQ's again. Looking at unit traits, the HQ's have the highest rating for "traffic control". So what does it mean?

ORIGINAL: ivanov

OK, I got two more.

1. What are the engineer units for? I don't see the option to build or blow up the bridges. The unit traits indicate: engineering 15%, minor ferry 24%, major ferry 13%. So what does it mean really? Are those units useful in assaulting the fortifications, or they shouldn't be used in combat if possible?

Any unit can blow bridges. Engineers repair blown bridges. Their engineering % is the chance to repair. Minor Ferry assists in crossing Rivers. Major Ferry assists in crossing Super Rivers. Engineers have whatever combat strengths are shown. Those strengths function the same as any other unit's combat strengths.

2. HQ's again. Looking at unit traits, the HQ's have the highest rating for "traffic control". So what does it mean?

Any unit with MP squads will have a traffic control %. That reduces movement penalties for high density locations.

ORIGINAL: Curtis Lemay

Minor Ferry assists in crossing Rivers. Major Ferry assists in crossing Super Rivers.

How exactly do they assist river crossings? Do they have to be on the hexes adjacent to the rivers?

ORIGINAL: Curtis Lemay

Any unit with MP squads will have a traffic control %. That reduces movement penalties for high density locations.

Do they reduce the movement penalties on the hexes where they are currently located or the adjacent hexes too?


Thank you

I think that they must be in the hex.

A simple search of the rule book has most answers. It sometimes doesn't have everything unfortunately. But it's the first place I go to.

8.4.1. Equipment Characteristics
and Their Effects
Engineering
§§ Engineer Equipment: The equipment has an
Engineering capability.
§§ Major Ferry Equipment: The equipment can
enter Super River or Suez Canal locations
and can assist other units in entering this
terrain.
Special Capabilities
§§ Police: The equipment reduces traffic congestion
penalties at its location.

11.9.4. River Movement Costs
Rivers and Canals (as opposed to super rivers or
Suez Canal) normally add 2 to the cost of entering
a location. There are exceptions, as follows:
§§ Amphibious units are exempt from River
Movement costs
§§ If the total minor ferry capability in the
location (including that of the moving unit) is
greater than 20%, the moving unit is exempt
from River Movement costs.
§§ If the total minor ferry capability in the
location (including that of the moving unit)
is greater than 10%, the River adds only one
point to the Movement Cost. Total Ferry
Strengths less than 10% have no effect on
River Movement.

12. Engineering
12.1. Demolition / Bridge
repair (Advanced Rules)
Any unit can blow bridges. This can be done at any
time and at no cost.
If the “New Bridge Rules” Advanced Rule
option is ON then bridges may only be blown on
locations that have a road/railroad that graphically
crosses a river/canal. Otherwise, any location with
both a road//railroad and a river/canal, even if they
don’t graphically cross, is eligible to be blown.
Only units with an Engineering Capability can
build bridges, however. The attempt will consume
the unit’s entire Movement Allowance for a
Turn. The chance of success is equal to the unit’s
Engineering Capability.

12.2. Ferry Support
All Land units can cross Canals and Rivers at an
additional Movement Cost. The presence of units
with an Engineering Capability can reduce this
cost, based on their corresponding Minor Ferry
Capacity. See 11.9.4, River Movement Costs, for
more information.
12.3. Major Ferry Support
Land units cannot usually enter Super River or
Suez Canal locations. Units that have a Major
Ferry Capacity of greater than 10% have the ability
to enter these locations and create temporary
crossing points for other units. If the hex contains
a blown bridge, a unit with engineering equipment
can move into, or through, the hex and even
attempt to make repairs. If a Scenario designer
has placed an Anchorage (port) in the hex, this
will allow Land (and Naval) Movement into and
out of the hex as well.

19.1.1. Equipment Density
Up to nine units may be grouped in any particular
location, but in many cases this is a bad idea. Each
location has a specific allowed Equipment Density:
50 + 2 x Scenario physical scale2
Scale Allowed Density
2.5km/hex 68
5km/hex 100
10km/hex 250
15km/hex 500
20km/hex 850
25km/hex 1300
50km/hex 5050
Any location with more than the allowed number
of Vehicles or Horse Teams suffers from traffic
jams (increased movement costs to enter). Any
location with more than the allowed number of
“active defender” equipment suffers from increased
losses in the Event of combat.

ORIGINAL: Lobster

A simple search of the rule book has most answers. It sometimes doesn't have everything unfortunately. But it's the first place I go to.

I've completely lost the faith in manual, as I was never able to find anything there. The quoted fragments do explain, how the engineering units work and how they should be used. I still am not sure how the traffic control of the HQ's work. Do they reduce overstacking penalties? The problem I see, is that if they do it on the hex where they are located, then in that case they are also another unit that you need to stack on the hex, which may be counterproductive...

Not if they remove limit penalties. And it isn't the HQ unit. It's the MP squads in the unit.

Special Capabilities
§§ Police: The equipment reduces traffic congestion
penalties at its location.

I don't recall exactly how much reduction there is. Also keep in mind. Units of differing cooperation levels can also effect movement penalties when using the same hex. Don't create a Battle of the Bulge situation where everyone is stuck in traffic. Plan and think ahead is all you have to do. I've never paid much attention to congestion. You gotta do what you gotta do to git er done.

ORIGINAL: ivanov
I've completely lost the faith in manual, as I was never able to find anything there.

ivano,
Thank you for your interest, and I hope you find this Forum to helpful to TOAW.

I find the Manual to be helpful. Not perfect, but the first stop for info. Using the <ALT F> function can get you to at least a start. If that does not answer your question, post the quote from the manual that is not clear. Most here are more than happy to help. And the fresh eyes of a newcomer to TOAW can help the grognards. I can see from your number of post you are not a newcomer to gaming!

Cheers,
RAK

ORIGINAL: Lobster

Not if they remove limit penalties. And it isn't the HQ unit. It's the MP squads in the unit.

Special Capabilities
§§ Police: The equipment reduces traffic congestion
penalties at its location.

I don't recall exactly how much reduction there is. Also keep in mind. Units of differing cooperation levels can also effect movement penalties when using the same hex. Don't create a Battle of the Bulge situation where everyone is stuck in traffic. Plan and think ahead is all you have to do. I've never paid much attention to congestion. You gotta do what you gotta do to git er done.

Yeah, for now I'm just using the common sense and it seems to work fine, but I'm just no sure about the HQ's. In other games they are used mostly for the command and control, they may have some command ratings and command ranges. Here they it seems do some other stuff, which is not intermediately visible to the player. I also see the divisional and corps HQ's, so instinctively I thought they may form some chain of command, but it seems they are just two unrelated logistics units.

ORIGINAL: r6kunz

ivano,
Thank you for your interest, and I hope you find this Forum to helpful to TOAW.

I find the Manual to be helpful. Not perfect, but the first stop for info. Using the <ALT F> function can get you to at least a start. If that does not answer your question, post the quote from the manual that is not clear. Most here are more than happy to help. And the fresh eyes of a newcomer to TOAW can help the grognards. I can see from your number of post you are not a newcomer to gaming!

Cheers,
RAK

I think the manual may be useful to the players that are familiar with the previous versions of the game. But for someone who doesn't know them like me, it's too abstract. At my current level I need some simple answers like: you do A and B happens. I hope this thread may serve others too. I heard comments from the seasoned players that they never read the manual, so for sure they could have missed something. I have experience with wargaming, just not with this game. I also played more complex games like WitE or WitW. They may be even more complex that TOAW, but I think they do a better job in conveying the information to the player. Fun fact, the other day I had the original game's designer commenting on my Facebook post:




Still, I think it's agreat game ( otherwise I wouldn't ask all the questions here ), just a little unwieldy in some aspects.

ORIGINAL: ivanov

If that's the real ole Norm and not an impostor, I'm jealous. We haven't had a whiff of him here.

ORIGINAL: Curtis Lemay

ORIGINAL: ivanov

If that's the real ole Norm and not an impostor, I'm jealous. We haven't had a whiff of him here.

I think it's him:

https://www.facebook.com/norm.koger

ORIGINAL: ivanov

ORIGINAL: Curtis Lemay

ORIGINAL: ivanov

If that's the real ole Norm and not an impostor, I'm jealous. We haven't had a whiff of him here.

I think it's him:

https://www.facebook.com/norm.koger

His facebook stuff does sound authentic.

ORIGINAL: Curtis Lemay

ORIGINAL: ivanov

ORIGINAL: Curtis Lemay




If that's the real ole Norm and not an impostor, I'm jealous. We haven't had a whiff of him here.

I think it's him:

https://www.facebook.com/norm.koger

His facebook stuff does sound authentic.

Wow!
From all that I can tell that is Norm. Has anyone reached out?

Is there a way to see the total loses of the enemy forces suffered during the whole scenario?

ORIGINAL: ivanov

Is there a way to see the total loses of the enemy forces suffered during the whole scenario?

Total losses are shown on the Inventory Report. Of course, you must have access to the enemy player's turn to see his losses.

Ok, thanks. So I guess if I'm playing against the AI. I won't be able to see the enemy loses summary.

Ok, thanks. So I guess if I'm playing against the AU.

For a minute there I thought you were playing against Arkansas University in Little Rock. Or wherever it is.

ORIGINAL: larryfulkerson

Ok, thanks. So I guess if I'm playing against the AU.

For a minute there I thought you were playing against Arkansas University in Little Rock. Or wherever it is.

When I've seen it now, it thought I was playing against Australia [X(] Spelling mistake - I meant AI.