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RE: The one thing that REALLY pisses me off in WITPAE
Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:36 am
by tarkalak
ORIGINAL: Treetop64
...why the hell is there a photobucket watermark all over my sig?
Did you upload it to photobucket?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/ ... maller.jpg
RE: The one thing that REALLY pisses me off in WITPAE
Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:42 am
by Treetop64
ORIGINAL: Timotheus
...my hand bleeding as I do a 4 hour 1st turn...
Can I, as a player, do something to get rid of it 100% or at least lower the chance of it occuring?
It only takes you four hours to do a first turn?
Me? Four weeks. At least.
No joke.
...and if you're using michaelm's patch, press the [Z] key to fast forward through animations instead of the [Esc] key. Might help.
RE: The one thing that REALLY pisses me off in WITPAE
Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:48 am
by Treetop64
I guess I did. Had forgotten that I ever used PB. Got annoying and stopped using it a long time ago...
RE: The one thing that REALLY pisses me off in WITPAE
Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:26 pm
by LargeSlowTarget
ORIGINAL: Timotheus
is not the clicking, the godawful UI, my hand bleeding as I do a 4 hour 1st turn...
It is the SYNCH BUG.
This is inexcusable. This SHOULD be fixed.
When I watch a replay, it should not be alternative facts.
Fixed that for you...
RE: The one thing that REALLY pisses me off in WITPAE
Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:55 pm
by pontiouspilot
Try a better brand of scotch....works for me!! I just grimace at this happening and attribute it to FOW.
RE: The one thing that REALLY pisses me off in WITPAE
Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 3:01 pm
by BBfanboy
ORIGINAL: tarkalak
ORIGINAL: 821Bobo
AFAIK Japan player using esc key to skip combat animation is causing this.
Have you tested it?
I think (I am a programmer) that for some reason the Allied side is running the turn with a different random seed or the two sides use different versions (and mods, and etc.) of the game.
If the developers used a random number generator from the OS, that would cause different turns on different computers, but I doubt that this is the cause. They should have the pseudo random number generator shipped with the game.
I don't play PBEM, but in playing the AI I find that things start to go wonky if I have been playing a lengthy time without restarting the game. It seems like clicking on any item or just doing a mouseover causes the game to access the info from disc/SSD and then keep it in RAM for reference. The after a while the accessing info from disc/SSD starts to take longer and the "disc spinning" busy signal is visible for a few seconds. Presumably this means data is being swapped out of RAM and new data retrieved, both of which take time.
Around the time this starts happening I get missing pictures on TF info screens and even missing icons at bases. For example the base screen might show no LCUs at all but the map shows the LCU dot icon. Clicking on the dot icon brings back the individual LCU icons on the base screen. When this happens, I save my game and restart it, which clears the odd behavior for some time - 2 or 3 turns (I check a lot of stuff during each turn because I micromanage and I forget stuff).
EDIT: Meant to add that something similar could be causing the synch bug by loading up RAM so much that not all the display connections are updated with data swapping. Just a wild speculation ...
RE: The one thing that REALLY pisses me off in WITPAE
Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 3:26 pm
by USSAmerica
Almost all synch bug issues are caused by both players not having exactly the same patch/beta/mod update versions of the game installed. It's critical to be exactly the same or you will almost always see the synch bug. I have almost never seen it in my games over the last 9 years, 11 months, and 21 days of owning this great game.
Memory issues for the Allied player can also make a difference as BB mentioned above. As a rule, the Allied player should always reboot the computer before running a turn replay.
RE: The one thing that REALLY pisses me off in WITPAE
Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 4:31 pm
by geofflambert
ORIGINAL: HansBolter
ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
Which is like saying, "I prefer my blow-up doll over dating Charlize Theron, because she sometimes is snappish."
Please put this tired, disgustingly denigrating reference to rest.
His blow-up doll is actually better than Charlize Theron? Not that I would ever want to denigrate anyone's blow-up doll.
RE: The one thing that REALLY pisses me off in WITPAE
Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 4:35 pm
by geofflambert
Anyone who plays this game to watch the combat replays is certifiable. ESC ESC ESC ESC.
But yes, you should arrange with your PBEM opponent to be using the same update or the same beta version. If you don't do that, don't whine.
RE: The one thing that REALLY pisses me off in WITPAE
Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 4:47 pm
by RogerJNeilson
Sometimes I video the replay so I can look at bits of it over and over again......
Roger
RE: The one thing that REALLY pisses me off in WITPAE
Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 4:48 pm
by witpqs
ORIGINAL: Timotheus
...I cannot fathom HOW this could occur when all a replay is is basically a reading of a txt file.....right?
No. As best I understand it they are basically re-doing the turn resolution to generate the input to the animations and the reports which the "replay" produces. There must be a million places where things can go wrong if there are little bugs/inconsistencies/etc.
RE: The one thing that REALLY pisses me off in WITPAE
Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 4:49 pm
by Yaab
ORIGINAL: geofflambert
ORIGINAL: HansBolter
ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
Which is like saying, "I prefer my blow-up doll over dating Charlize Theron, because she sometimes is snappish."
Please put this tired, disgustingly denigrating reference to rest.
His blow-up doll is actually better than Charlize Theron? Not that I would ever want to denigrate anyone's blow-up doll.
But what if the blow-up doll is Theron's lookalike and Theron herself is as lifeless as a blow-up doll? THEWORLDWONDERS
RE: The one thing that REALLY pisses me off in WITPAE
Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 4:52 pm
by Yaab
Wait, we are out of sync with the OP's issue.
RE: The one thing that REALLY pisses me off in WITPAE
Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 4:56 pm
by geofflambert
ORIGINAL: Roger Neilson 3
Sometimes I video the replay so I can look at bits of it over and over again......
Roger
[:D][:D]
RE: The one thing that REALLY pisses me off in WITPAE
Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 7:29 pm
by BBfanboy
ORIGINAL: Roger Neilson 3
Sometimes I video the replay so I can look at bits of it over and over again......
Roger
If you look at the Combat Report before watching the replay, is that foreplay?
RE: The one thing that REALLY pisses me off in WITPAE
Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:55 pm
by Timotheus
ye gods, the boomer gen are suck cuc^s
here is your "sexy" (furious air quotes) charlize theron, without makeup and special fx in movies:
"sexy" charlize
and some moar
moar sexy for yah granpa
yummy yummy
oh yeah staff that ice cream down that fat gullet
Every thread that tries to get some game info and/or advice is taken over by the 101st granpa keyboard brigade with their inane BS. ugh.
It makes sense that having the same version and patches would make a difference.
That the allied replay does not read a simple text file (combat report) but instead uses a seed to RECREATE a turn a 2nd time for the 2nd player is.... INSANE.
RE: The one thing that REALLY pisses me off in WITPAE
Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:07 pm
by geofflambert
Oh, granny, are my socks on right?
Well, no, dear, your left sock is on your right foot and your right sock is on your (censored).
Well, dag nab it, what do I have to do to get some decent service 'round here?
Stop listening to Timotheus, dear, and everything will be alright.
RE: The one thing that REALLY pisses me off in WITPAE
Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 10:59 am
by RogerJNeilson
ORIGINAL: BBfanboy
ORIGINAL: Roger Neilson 3
Sometimes I video the replay so I can look at bits of it over and over again......
Roger
If you look at the Combat Report before watching the replay, is that foreplay?
Many years ago I suffered from a problem of reading the combat report and not watching the action.... bad mistake as the report was often incorrect. I now always watch the action and have it record at the same time.
My comment earlier was tongue in cheek - but there is method in this.
1. The detailed combat action shows the combats with how the various enemy forces have fared and what is still able to fight back. Very useful intel. Want to know how well the enemy is set up at the end of the combat - you won't get that from the combat report as it simply tells you what the CV was at the start of the combat.....
2. When an enemy raid appears you get the approach line on the map..... by being able to freeze that moment you can see the likely take off point for that raid and deal with it appropriately.....
In both the above the ability to scratch through to the relevant frame is worth the minimal hard disc space taken to store the video and the millisecond it takes to switch the video record on and off
and yes either my tongue in cheek remark will not translate into American idiom, or some people with a certain mindset will use it to further exploit double entendres.
Roger
RE: The one thing that REALLY pisses me off in WITPAE
Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:27 pm
by Rising-Sun
I remember hearing something like this some years back during PBEM sessions, he didn't like it much as the Allied side.
RE: The one thing that REALLY pisses me off in WITPAE
Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:49 pm
by geofflambert
ORIGINAL: Roger Neilson 3
ORIGINAL: BBfanboy
ORIGINAL: Roger Neilson 3
Sometimes I video the replay so I can look at bits of it over and over again......
Roger
If you look at the Combat Report before watching the replay, is that foreplay?
Many years ago I suffered from a problem of reading the combat report and not watching the action.... bad mistake as the report was often incorrect. I now always watch the action and have it record at the same time.
My comment earlier was tongue in cheek - but there is method in this.
1. The detailed combat action shows the combats with how the various enemy forces have fared and what is still able to fight back. Very useful intel. Want to know how well the enemy is set up at the end of the combat - you won't get that from the combat report as it simply tells you what the CV was at the start of the combat.....
2. When an enemy raid appears you get the approach line on the map..... by being able to freeze that moment you can see the likely take off point for that raid and deal with it appropriately.....
In both the above the ability to scratch through to the relevant frame is worth the minimal hard disc space taken to store the video and the millisecond it takes to switch the video record on and off
and yes either my tongue in cheek remark will not translate into American idiom, or some people with a certain mindset will use it to further exploit double entendres.
Roger
My fingers hover over F key 9 which I have set up to take screen shots, and if I want to F key 8 which starts video recording. I hate it when the result box covers up part of the action, you lose those red vectors if you scroll the map.
