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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Chinese forces are so much weaker - lack of heavy weapons, perhaps early-war squads - that it wouldn't be as surprising. That this took place without forts and with a supply malus is pretty unusual.

Yes, because it's firepower that causes casualties, not assault value.

ORIGINAL: PaxMondo
I agree, it is an outlier. 4:1 and I suffer almost 10x the losses. But, hey, we've all experienced this type of outcome. Not happily, but we have. [;)]

Just think of some of the reactions 5 years ago … there would have been some major rants … [:D]

Judging by losses you guys happened to attack Allied tanks in a bayonet charge. It happens

Not to mention a lot of support squads. More guns per person as well. Is there an HQ there?

ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

Oh I double checked, be sure of it. But, you may recall that I only play Ironman Nasty, Nasty (modified to be Nasty through 1946) … so I'm pretty sure that while my troops are pretty good (exp ~ +65) the allies are 99 (they would be higher if Andy could have gotten it!).

I mostly posted it in memory of the old "Borked" threads that used to appear ….

Is this because "ranting" Castor Troy recently rejoined us?[:D]
(don't worry, he used the term to describe himself or I would not have used it!)

Your first attack is fairly standard for the Pacific war.
The Japanese were better on defense and not so good on attack.
The Japanese typically lost about 3 to 1 on attack later in the war.

This, as a general rule, due to better Allied firepower.

Your first attack was very similar to the battle of Edson’s Ridge on Guadalcanal.

Two battalions of Japanese attacked around 300 Marines and soldiers on high ground.
6,300 Japanese against 300 Marines and soldiers.

Loss is not exact but:
263 Allied killed, wounded or missing.
708 to 800 Japanese killed, wounded or missing.

Guadalcanal by Richard Frank, Page 245.

Your second attack was not as typical of the real war.

Allied casualties of better than 5 to 1 while on defense on high ground in the real war?
They must not have had any ammo left.

Or……..Gotta luv Gary's random outcomes to play this game …

Anyone remember what a 2 or 5 got you in most results for an AH game?

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

PS: Yes, I am crying in my coffee this morning, but I drink it that way a lot with my ability …

Just make coffee with salt in the water the way that the US Navy does it, it is a lot easier . . .

I don't know about salt in the water, but there sure was enough av gas to keep us all regular onboard the Enterprise. I worked in squadron AIMD during my second deployment (VS-21) in 1986. Every morning I would take the 40-cup coffee urn across the passageway to fill it. On the way back I could see a distinct oil slick on top when entering the passageway again. Mmmmm... love me some spiked coffee man. (Addendum: Yes, Mr. Gorn, JP4. It gets into everything eventually.)

The Captain did buy the crew galley 3 soft-serve ice cream machines in 1984 and they were heaven when away from civilization for months at a time.

You mean jet fuel?

This Game is BORKED!

So what else is new?

. . . Every morning I would take the 40-cup coffee urn across the passageway to fill it. On the way back I could see a distinct oil slick on top when entering the passageway again. . .

Coffee does have a natural oil.

ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe
They were also probably hungry and knew that the best way to get some food was to let the Japanese get close, knife then, and then get their food.

[:D][:D][:D]

[&o][&o][&o]

...are we endorsing cannibalism here...

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe
They were also probably hungry and knew that the best way to get some food was to let the Japanese get close, knife then, and then get their food.

[:D][:D][:D]

[&o][&o][&o]

...are we endorsing cannibalism here...

The Allies turned loose the headhunters of New Guinea on shipwrecked Japanese after the battle of the Bismarck Sea. [X(]

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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo


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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe
They were also probably hungry and knew that the best way to get some food was to let the Japanese get close, knife then, and then get their food.

John 3rd

...are we endorsing cannibalism here...

Nope, but some members of the Japanese military did practice it.

ORIGINAL: HansBolter
Yes, because it's firepower that causes casualties, not assault value.

Yeah, Allied firepower is scary [X(]

Ground combat at 211,44 (near Kamloops)
Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 13596 troops, 130 guns, 69 vehicles, Assault Value = 447
Defending force 1059 troops, 91 guns, 73 vehicles, Assault Value = 4

Japanese adjusted assault: 383
Allied adjusted defense: 7

Japanese assault odds: 54 to 1

Japanese ground losses:
30 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
5th Division

Defending units:
181st Field Artillery Regiment
168th Field Artillery Regiment
110th Combat Engineer Battalion
40th Field Artillery Regiment

Three artillery regiments back up by combat engineers? If they can get through the artillery bombardment, they would get blown up and toasted.

Snake Eyes!

ORIGINAL: GetAssista

ORIGINAL: HansBolter
Yes, because it's firepower that causes casualties, not assault value.

Yeah, Allied firepower is scary [X(]

Ground combat at 211,44 (near Kamloops)
Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 13596 troops, 130 guns, 69 vehicles, Assault Value = 447
Defending force 1059 troops, 91 guns, 73 vehicles, Assault Value = 4

Japanese adjusted assault: 383
Allied adjusted defense: 7

Japanese assault odds: 54 to 1

Japanese ground losses:
30 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
5th Division

Defending units:
181st Field Artillery Regiment
168th Field Artillery Regiment
110th Combat Engineer Battalion
40th Field Artillery Regiment

Yep, a kamloopsided result. Straya, mate!

Your higher than expected casualties is in part due to your being "overstacked" by 12,000 men. perhaps even more than 12,000.

ORIGINAL: GetAssista

ORIGINAL: PaxMondo
I agree, it is an outlier. 4:1 and I suffer almost 10x the losses. But, hey, we've all experienced this type of outcome. Not happily, but we have. [;)]

Just think of some of the reactions 5 years ago … there would have been some major rants … [:D]

Judging by losses you guys happened to attack Allied tanks in a bayonet charge. It happens

Yep.

But think back if this had happened to Ol' Rantin' Castor Troy!!!!
We could have been entertained for at least a week! Sheesh, I do miss him around here ...[:D]

ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

ORIGINAL: GetAssista

ORIGINAL: PaxMondo
I agree, it is an outlier. 4:1 and I suffer almost 10x the losses. But, hey, we've all experienced this type of outcome. Not happily, but we have. [;)]

Just think of some of the reactions 5 years ago … there would have been some major rants … [:D]

Judging by losses you guys happened to attack Allied tanks in a bayonet charge. It happens

Yep.

But think back if this had happened to Ol' Rantin' Castor Troy!!!!
We could have been entertained for at least a week! Sheesh, I do miss him around here ...[:D]

The Rantor is back. He's looking for a Japanese player I believe....GP

Is he, great news!

He is always looking for a JFB to pick on! [:D][:D][:D]