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ORIGINAL: jmlima
Consider yourself lucky, I still cannot save units.

How do you do this? I'd like to give this a try...

ORIGINAL: 76mm

ORIGINAL: jmlima
Consider yourself lucky, I still cannot save units.

How do you do this? I'd like to give this a try...

Open a scenario or start a new one in the editor. Open the Force Editor. Click on the File item in the Menu Bar at the top and you will see two functions, Save Unit as... and Open Unit.

Tried it earlier and it saved the unit file in the last scenario folder I had open in the editor, not the current scenario folder. The reason I'm so irritated is because it worked in one version then it didn't work in the next. Then it worked in the next but again didn't work in the next. Now it only sort of works in some strange fashion. It no longer gives the user the ability to put it where they desire which it previously did in all of the versions where the Save/Open unit function worked. I don't know if it's ineptitude or not caring about what's being done or just no longer caring about the entire project. It's becoming increasingly like it's the latter may be closer to the truth.

Personally Bob I'm very happy you are working on this. The alternative would be 100 times worse. It would be a total lack of progress in any way.

BTW, don't confuse utter frustration with a tantrum. Totally different.

ORIGINAL: Lobster
BTW, don't confuse utter frustration with a tantrum. Totally different.

Totally, for sure! [:D]

I just tried to save a unit. The good news--no error message or crash! The bad news--if the unit file was save, I couldn't find it...I looked in several TOAW folders with no luck.

ORIGINAL: 76mm

ORIGINAL: Lobster
BTW, don't confuse utter frustration with a tantrum. Totally different.

Totally, for sure! [:D]

I just tried to save a unit. The good news--no error message or crash! The bad news--if the unit file was save, I couldn't find it...I looked in several TOAW folders with no luck.

Did you try Open Unit? It should look at the same folder the Save Unit was pointed at.

ORIGINAL: Curtis Lemay
Did you try Open Unit? It should look at the same folder the Save Unit was pointed at.

I can't with the scenario I have open, it says it can only do it if no units are divided..apparently there are divided units in this scenario. I will try with a different scenario when I get a chance, but I'm not sure how many times I'll try it if that scenario has divided units as well.

Ok somethings is not working as intended and just to make sure cleaned TOAWIV and started installing again.
Installed 4.1.0.20 & 4.1.0.21 and checked the scenario selection, I see that background pics are loaded and that I can open the documents for the scenarios.
Now I install 4.1.0.40 and see only the standard background pic for every scenario and can't access any documents from within the game.

ORIGINAL: BigDuke66

Ok somethings is not working as intended and just to make sure cleaned TOAWIV and started installing again.
Installed 4.1.0.20 & 4.1.0.21 and checked the scenario selection, I see that background pics are loaded and that I can open the documents for the scenarios.
Now I install 4.1.0.40 and see only the standard background pic for every scenario and can't access any documents from within the game.

Do you have Steam installed?

A clear NO.

OK wait.
Started a game, and from within I see the background pic & can open the document for the scenario.
And now it works also when selecting a new game.
I closed the game and started again and now it works right from the start.

Must have been a strange hiccup.

ORIGINAL: Curtis Lemay

ORIGINAL: cathar1244

Is this update comprehensive for all versions of TOAW IV, or does it patch version .21?

Thank you for the update.

Cheers

It's comprehensive. Personally, I install it by first uninstalling TOAW IV, reinstalling the original 4.0.0.11, and then installing the update. (That's if you have the Matrix version - Steam does it for you, although you can do the uninstall/install thing there, too).

Thanks Bob!

Cheers

ORIGINAL: jmlima

ORIGINAL: Lobster

ORIGINAL: Curtis Lemay



I just saved and then opened a Unit. Couldn't do that under .21. So, how could it be "even worse than it was before"?

Because now the unit is saved who knows where. I was working on a scenario. I opened a different one and saved a unit. It saved the unit in the scenario I had been working on previously. You cannot dictate where the unit is saved. It gets saved someplace you were at some other time. I've really gotten tired of trying to find out how it decides to save a file.

If you want it to function properly go back to 4.1.0.3 and do it the same way it's done there. The scenario designer can dictate WHERE it's saved, not the program. The program cannot possibly read your mind and know where you want something. I've been repeating this exact same bloody thing for I don't know how long. It's not rocket science. The wheel does not have to be reinvented. Just look at 4.1.0.3. It's already been done properly. It's no wonder so many beta testers have thrown in the towel.

Consider yourself lucky, I still cannot save units.

I very definitively still cannot save units. Just because, uninstalled the game and reinstalled, applied the latest patch and still cannot save a single unit. It just does not work.

Question: if we have games in progress on the "on line" server thing or in PBEM regular, that were started using earlier version ....

will those games continue as were started? IOW is there any "conflict" w/ the new patch and older patches?

I'm on turn 30 / 40 in some games, was wondering if those games will continue as started (or will they "convert" to new rules, esp. w/re/to interdicts) if one (or both) of us upgrades? Or, if one us "upgrades" and the other doesn't, will that have any effect on our ongoing games?

Thanks!

OK, I just tried another scenario. When I tried to save a unit, unlike last time, I at least got a file save dialog, allowing me to choose where the file should be saved. Unfortunately, the file was not in fact saved there, nor, as far as I can tell, was it saved anywhere else. I opened the "Open Unit..." menu item, but there also weren't any unit files in that location.

ORIGINAL: 76mm

I at least got a file save dialog, allowing me to choose where the file should be saved.

There was no guarantee that that feature worked. Try it just using the defaults.

ORIGINAL: Curtis Lemay
There was no guarantee that that feature worked. Try it just using the defaults.

Sorry, but what do you mean? What is the default?

I did not try to change any defaults; I did exactly the same thing both times I tried it, but the first time I didn't get any file save dialog, and the second time I did?

ORIGINAL: 76mm

ORIGINAL: Curtis Lemay
There was no guarantee that that feature worked. Try it just using the defaults.

Sorry, but what do you mean? What is the default?

I did not try to change any defaults; I did exactly the same thing both times I tried it, but the first time I didn't get any file save dialog, and the second time I did?

Did you change the folder it was directed to?

My Document button does not work as well since updating [&:]to new version. Does anybody have update patch 4.1.0.21.

ORIGINAL: 76mm

ORIGINAL: Curtis Lemay
There was no guarantee that that feature worked. Try it just using the defaults.

Sorry, but what do you mean? What is the default?

I did not try to change any defaults; I did exactly the same thing both times I tried it, but the first time I didn't get any file save dialog, and the second time I did?

That's the same thing I get, some times dialog box, sometimes nothing, but in all cases no file is saved. Anywhere.

ORIGINAL: Mark43
My Document button does not work as well since updating [&:]to new version. Does anybody have update patch 4.1.0.21.

Opening scenario documents definitely seem to be broken in this version. I think the problem is it now *only* looks in the "Documents\My Games" directory for the documents, and not in the "Programs" directory.

I tried it by just copying "2ND Battle of Kharkov 1942.doc" into "Documents\My Games\The Operational Art of War IV\Scenarios\WW II - East Front" and then it was found, but at its default location it's not found.

EDIT: Also the same thing with the scenario BMPs, they only trigger if located in the "Documents\My Games" directory. UNLESS the scenario also has a BMP located in the "Graphics Override\Scenario Name" directory, then that one shows.


You can get the patch from the FTP but not sure if downgrading is a good idea.
http://ftp.us.matrixgames.com/pub/TheOp ... rtOfWarIV/

Thank you Shadrach. I initially updated from .21 to .40 and the document button worked. Had to reinstall fresh and did not have .21 went from .20 to .40 and this when I have a problem I am going to try all again to see if this works. Again thank you[:D]