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Had a bit of time this morning to play. So, 5th gen a/c have managed to destroy all Russian aircraft in the southern AO in the first 4 hours - no fighters or AEWs are now up. Launched a strike of Raptors with SDBs and hit lots of air defense elements around Chah Bahar and towards Pakistan as well as SSMs. No response from the OPFOR - no radars were active and nothing was fired in response or defense. Right now I'm waiting for a flight of B-1s to come up behind the America ARG so they can launch a coordinated Tomahawk MMT / LRASM strike on the Russian ship force - which has no active radars either and has not fired a single SAM at aircraft in it's range, even when detected by other Russian assets. Russia continues to send unescorted MPA into the Arabian Sea, probably searching for my ships and they keep dying before they get close. No sign of subs yet, but those are my biggest concern for now.

Recommendation - have your air defense systems using active radar so they can fight back and set up Exclusion Zones along with WRAs to use them to good effect. At the moment I can move and attack with impunity.

Just overwhelmed the Russian naval group LRASMs and MMTs. Their radars did go on but I didn't see much in the way of air defense fire.

ORIGINAL: Primarchx

Just overwhelmed the Russian naval group LRASMs and MMTs. Their radars did go on but I didn't see much in the way of air defense fire.

Hey Primarchx
Thanks for the AAR. Would you be so kind to post your Loses & Expenditures when you are done? I will compare it with mine to even the score a bit.

I also may cut CSGs to half (4->2), even if it is not book compliant.

ORIGINAL: erwinuri

ORIGINAL: Primarchx

Just overwhelmed the Russian naval group LRASMs and MMTs. Their radars did go on but I didn't see much in the way of air defense fire.

Hey Primarchx
Thanks for the AAR. Would you be so kind to post your Loses & Expenditures when you are done? I will compare it with mine to even the score a bit.

I also may cut CSGs to half (4->2), even if it is not book compliant.

Morning gents. I too have found that the Russians surface fleet didn't fight back. Once I had them identified I attacking using the B1s only and overwhelmed them. I did carry out my attack in editor though and switched sides to see what happened. So the initial detection was at about 50 miles and the fleet activated it's radar and jammers, with the missiles being tracked and seen in real time from 20 miles but there was no defensive fire.
I've still to finish the scenario and will post up my Losses and expenditures after i'm done.

Did any of you two carry out the mission in South Russia?

What mission in South Russia? I haven't finished it yet?

Potential Spoilers below

















So I have 20 hours to go and I think I'm just about there in terms of the mission.
Some weird things have happened.
The Russian Fleet was taken down by 4 B1s. No defensive fire of any kind was noted. Likewise the Indian fleet when the time came was taken down by some F18s and Tomahawks.
Then weird things happened.
The Indian air force came out to play. My CAPS to the west started firing all their missiles even though there wasn't many targets in range. Some got kills but not many.
Several ships from the carrier formations appear to have disconnected from the groups. For example The Churchill is now being listed as friendly but not under my control anymore. This appears to have happened to all 3 western groups. I'm also getting a 'NO COMM' message about them (hopefully screenshot attached).

I'm heading away for a week so won't be able to finish it till I get back but here's my losses/expenditure list.

Hope it helps.

PS still no instruction about South Russian although I can see the units there. Also managed to take out the Russian air group to the north before they took off with the other B1s.

SIDE: US
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LOSSES:
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2x F/A-18E Super Hornet
2x F-15C Eagle
1x F-22A Raptor
1x MH-60R Seahawk
2x RQ-180 UAV


EXPENDITURES:
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64x AGM-158B JASSM-ER
96x AGM-158C LRASM
16x AGM-84K SLAMER-ATA
16x AGM-88E AARGM
579x AIM-120D AMRAAM P3I.4
4x AIM-9X Sidewinder
10x AIM-9X-2 Sidewinder Blk II
3x AN/ALE-55 FOTD
267x AN/SSQ-53F DIFAR
9x AN/SSQ-62D DICASS
312x AN/SSQ-62E DICASS
122x AN/SSQ-77B VLAD
64x GBU-31(V)1/B JDAM [Mk84]
173x GBU-39/B SDB
32x GBU-53/B SDB-II
1x Generic Chaff Salvo [4x Cartridges]
17x Generic Chaff Salvo [5x Cartridges]
5x Generic Chaff Salvo [8x Cartridges]
7x Generic Flare Salvo [3x Cartridges, Dual Spectral]
1x Generic Flare Salvo [4x Cartridges, Single Spectral]
1x MIM-104E Patriot PAC-2 GEM+
3x MIM-104F Patriot PAC-3 ERINT
4x Mk54 HAAWC Mod 0
5x Mk54 LHT Mod 0
112x Mk82 500lb LDGP
16x RGM-109C Tomahawk Blk III TLAM-C
129x RGM-109E Tomahawk Blk IV TACTOM
128x RGM-109I Tomahawk Blk IV MMT [Multi-Mission]
1x RIM-116C RAM Blk II
117x RIM-162A ESSM
8x RIM-162D ESSM
71x RIM-174A ERAM SM-6 Dual I
32x RIM-66M-2 SM-2MR Blk IIIA
95x RIM-66M-5 SM-2MR Blk IIIB
4x RIM-7M Sea Sparrow
8x SSQ-926 ALFEA
20x SSQ-963D CAMBS VI
2x Stingray Mod 0
33x UGM-109E Tomahawk Blk IV TACTOM
44x UGM-109I Tomahawk Blk IV MMT [Multi-Mission]



SIDE: Russia
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LOSSES:
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2x A-50U Mainstay A
1x BPK Udaloy I [Pr.1155 Fregat]
1x BPK Udaloy II [PR.1155.1 Fregat-M]
2x EM Sovremenny I [Pr.956A Sarych]
23x Ka-27M Helix A
3x Ka-29RLD Helix
11x MiG-29 Fulcrum A
10x MiG-29KUB Fulcrum D
2x MiG-31K Foxhound
3x MRK Buyan Mod [Pr.21631 Buyan-M]
1x PLA-885 Severodvinsk [Yasen]
1x PLA-971 Akula I Improved [Shchuka-B]
2x PLA-971M Akula II [Shchuka-B]
1x PLARK-949A Oscar II [Antey]
1x RKR Marshal Ustinov [Pr.1164 Atlant]
1x RKR Moskva [Pr.1164 Atlant, Ex-Slava]
1x RKR Petr Velikiy [Pr.1144.2 Orlan, Ex-Yuri Androvo]
4x SA-15e Gauntlet [9A331] TELAR
2x SA-16 Gimlet [9K310 Igla-1] MANPADS
5x SA-21a/b Growler TEL
10x SA-22 Greyhound [96K6 Pantsir-S1, KAMAZ-6560 8x8] TELAR
5x SA-24 Grinch [9K338 Igla-S] MANPADS
6x SA-26 [50P6] TEL
2x SKR Admiral Grigorovich [Pr.1135.6M]
3x SKR Admiral Sergey Gorshkov [Pr.2235.0]
24x SSC-5 Stooge TEL [K-340P]
20x Su-30M2 Flanker G
20x Su-33 Flanker D
6x Su-34 Fullback
20x Su-35S Flanker E
12x Su-57 Felon
1x TAKR Admiral Kuznetsov [Pr.1143.5]
10x Tu-160 Blackjack
20x Tu-22M-3M Backfire C
12x Vehicle (Band Stand [Monolit B])
1x Vehicle (Cheese Board [96L6])


EXPENDITURES:
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6x AA-10 Alamo A [R-27R, MR TSARH]
3x AA-10 Alamo C [R-27ER, LR TSARH]
1x AA-11 Archer [R-73]
38x AA-12 Adder B [R-77-1, RVV-SD]
10x Generic Acoustic Decoy
6x Generic Acoustic Decoy
178x Generic Chaff Salvo [4x Cartridges]
32x Generic Chaff Salvo [5x Cartridges]
1x Generic Flare Salvo [3x Cartridges, Single Spectral]
4x MG-114 Berilly
239x PK-10 Chaff [SR-50]
202x PK-10 Flare [SO-50]
33x PK-2 Chaff [TSP-47]
2x PK-2 Flare [TST-47]
11x RGB-16MK [Search, Passive Omni]



SIDE: Iran
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LOSSES:
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14x 23mm ZU-23-2
2x A/C Hangar (2x Medium Aircraft)
1x A/C Hardened Aircraft Shelter (1x Large Aircraft)
6x A-50U Mainstay A
1x Ammo Pad
3x Ammo Shelter
7x AvGas (150k Liter Tank)
8x AvGas (75k Liter Tank)
3x Building (Airport Terminal)
1x Building (Control Tower)
6x F-14A Tomcat [F-14AM]
22x F-4E Phantom II
6x M192 I-HAWK [Mersad Upgrade]
1x Radar (Cheese Board [96L6E])
1x Radar (China Type 408C)
1x Radar (Sepehr OTH-B)
5x SA-15d Gauntlet [9A331MK/9A332] TELAR
12x SA-22 Greyhound [96K6 Pantsir-S1, KAMAZ-6560 8x8] TELAR
12x Soumar [Kh-55 Mod] TEL
8x Su-24MK Fencer D
8x Tu-142M Bear F Mod 2
4x Tu-16P Badger J
2x Vehicle (HPI [Mersad Upgrade])
2x Vehicle (YZ-3 Search Radar)
4x YZ-3 Shahab Thaqeb [Ya Zahra-3] TEL


EXPENDITURES:
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266x 30mm 2A38M Burst [50 rnds]
2x AIM-23C I-HAWK [Sejil]
1x AIM-7E4 Sparrow III
9x Generic Chaff Salvo [5x Cartridges]
12x Generic Chaff Salvo [8x Cartridges]
2x Generic Flare Salvo [3x Cartridges, Single Spectral]
1x Generic Flare Salvo [4x Cartridges, Single Spectral]
8x MIM-23B I-HAWK [Shahin Mod, Mersad Upgrade]
92x SA-15b Gauntlet [9M331]
193x SA-22 Greyhound [57E6]
34x Soumar [Kh-55 Mod]



SIDE: India
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LOSSES:
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1x A 50 Deepak
1x A-50E/I Mainstay
1x D 51 Rajput [Pr.61ME Kashin II]
1x D 61 Delhi [Pr.15]
1x D 66 Visakhapatnam [Pr.15B]
1x F 47 Shivalik [Pr.17]
9x Harop TEL
9x Jaguar IM [Darin 3]
6x Ka-25BSh Hormone A
22x MiG-29KUB Fulcrum D
4x P-8I Neptune [Poseidon]
1x R 24 Vikrant
1x Radar (EL/M-2083 Aerostat)
3x Radar (Tin Shield A [5N59])
8x Rafale C
2x SA-19 Grisom [2S6M] TELAR
5x Su-30MKI Flanker H


EXPENDITURES:
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4x 30mm 2S6 Burst [50 rnds]
2x AA-11 Archer [R-73M1]
9x AA-12 Adder A [R-77, RVV-AE]
8x AGM-84L Harpoon II
3x AIM-132A ASRAAM
1x Akash
11x AM.39 Exocet Blk II
60x AN/SSQ-53F DIFAR
40x AN/SSQ-62E DICASS
40x AN/SSQ-77B VLAD
75x Generic Chaff Salvo [4x Cartridges]
26x Generic Chaff Salvo [5x Cartridges]
216x Harop
8x Meteor
21x MICA EM
23x MICA IR
1x PJ-10 Brahmos
4x PK-16 Chaff [TSP-60U]
4x PK-16 Flare [TST-60U]
8x PK-2 Chaff [TSP-47]
134x RGB-1 [NATO BM-1, Search, Passive Omni]
16x SA-19 Grisom [9M311]
29x Super Barricade Chaff
17x Super Barricade Flare



SIDE: China
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LOSSES:
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EXPENDITURES:
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35x AN/SSQ-53F DIFAR
26x AN/SSQ-62E DICASS



SIDE: Neutral
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LOSSES:
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3x False Contact (Wreck)


EXPENDITURES:
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Hey Selchu!
I think I will have an updated version of the scenario by next week, with the addition of a Russian/Iran exclusion zone to shoot on unidentified targets.
I will also reduce 5th Gen fighters and/or reduce number of carriers. Rus SAM will also be scaled up.

SPOILER


Okay, OUTOFCOMS is expected (for the ones who read the series, AEGIS is bound to be hacked a lot), but EMCON for the ships was supposed to go down as well...if someone can check the script for me to rule out what is wrong I'd appreciate it.
I will also put more emphasis on the South Russia mission in the briefing.

END OF SPOILER

Thanks!

Ok sounds interesting. Looking forward to the update. I'll let the clock run on in this one and see does the other surprise I think is coming turn up.

If your going to have problems with hacking and comms going down might be an idea to mention it or something about it in the brief. I haven't read the books and it's caused me some confusion and may do others.

Apart from that, looking forward to the update.

Cheers
Sel

In fact a suggestion. If it's trigger by a LUA script, then have it also trigger a special message to help develop the story..........add to the confusion.

ORIGINAL: Selchu

In fact a suggestion. If it's trigger by a LUA script, then have it also trigger a special message to help develop the story..........add to the confusion.

Done! Also, South Russia mission was stated in the Briefing I think.

UPDATE!

Holy crap...... What an update 😳

Ok,
So the update has indeed changed alot. Firstly within about 15 mins of starting there are missiles everywhere. Unfortunately I'm finding it difficult to deal with them all and this is having some knock on affects. Al-Mussaanah has been hit so fast that I have lost some F22s while they are still loading out and can't take off.
The carriers have held out ok so far but there has been a massive effort to sink them. Some of the missiles are in the air from the Russian SAG before I can locate them and also I suspect from some of their subs.
I am trying to counter this but the air attacks are just taking alot of my time and mean I can't get looking at the Georgia mission at all.
It's a tough nut now.

Also noted is the price you have to pay to use the Ohio.
Also did you change the SV-22s on the LHAs? The previous version had refueling capable ones but they seem to be gone now?

ORIGINAL: Selchu

Also did you change the SV-22s on the LHAs? The previous version had refueling capable ones but they seem to be gone now?

Mmmm no, I don't think I did. My update may have been before the last CMO update (don't quote me on that) and loadout databases may have shifted. I will check it and come back at you.

Thank you Selchu for keeping up with it. Tell your Raptors I said sorry...

I also figured out the problem with the fighter missiles. Mine jeep fire at about max range and then running out. Asked on discord earlier so I have changed the WRA so they fire at 50nm. Have done this for all AMRAAMS. it's a good premise.
I'll have a couple of suggestions for you later tonight. Have changed a couple of things on my version to see if it makes a difference.

OK, Couple of suggestions.
Firstly I haven't finished the mission yet. I'm currently about 5 hours in and so have run it to this point about 4 times.
The mission to sink the Russian SAG is very difficult. The 3 Sergey Gorshkov FFG's have high powered anti air defence lasers. I have been trying to get a strike through them with no luck. I even did an experiment where I used 8 B-1s with AGM-158C LRASM. 196 missiles only got me 3 kills. I would suggest for balance cutting it down to 1 or even 2 of these and have the earlier 2017 variant in there to maintain you fleet numbers.
This is just a thought for balance. A player could launch the B-1s and every FA-18 in 2 strike groups and still only have a small chance of hitting. This will burn both alot of scenario time and munitions that the player needs to complete missions later.

The SV-22 on the LHAs can do refueling but it needs the refueling kit to be available. I added it to mine. That being said you could put a couple of tankers on Masirah and remove a couple from Diego Garcia to keep the balance.

I have also move my ships starting position back slightly to allow setup time before rounds start flying. This also allows time for the battlefield to populate. I don't know what the story in the book says but the Russians launch a strike seemingly straight away and thats whith my ships on EMCON.

I would also consider adding mor LRASM missiles to the base that the B1s fly from. Give the player a choice of loadout for their 2nd shots.

Just a couple of thoughts so far.

Yep, lasers are not working correctly. See https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4760203

ORIGINAL: serjames

Yep, lasers are not working correctly. See https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4760203

Cheers SJ. Hadn't seen that post.


Also something else I noticed was that the Indian navy went hostile to me quite early. And this time without and accompanying message.

ORIGINAL: serjames

Yep, lasers are not working correctly. See https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4760203

Yeah I been looking it up. Laser dazlers in these FFGs are not even expected to destroy solid objects but to confuse, cause damage to a pilot etc... at least that is their claim.
Nevertheless I took it out