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RE: Really, really OT: Source of Light Pollution in ND?

Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:55 pm
by Chickenboy
ORIGINAL: HansBolter

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

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A Mysterious Patch Of Light Shows Up In The North Dakota Dark

https://www.npr.org/sections/krulwich/2 ... akota-dark


Great article. Thanks for the link.

Responded late, as usual.

The picture posted was interesting. You can see the same sort of diffuse light pattern in West Texas. Similar flaring of gas there too.

RE: Really, really OT: Source of Light Pollution in ND?

Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 6:07 pm
by Scott_USN
I watched that NASA video in the story about Dark Earth, well Italians must be scared of the dark because it is almost like one big light!

RE: Really, really OT: Source of Light Pollution in ND?

Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 6:48 pm
by Anachro

RE: Really, really OT: Source of Light Pollution in ND?

Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:23 pm
by geofflambert
It's hard to beat Montana for the night sky, even the day sky. The cirrus clouds are so close you think you can reach up and touch them. The blue is dark and you can see some stars in full daylight.

RE: Really, really OT: Source of Light Pollution in ND?

Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:40 pm
by Chickenboy
ORIGINAL: geofflambert

It's hard to beat Montana for the night sky, even the day sky. The cirrus clouds are so close you think you can reach up and touch them. The blue is dark and you can see some stars in full daylight.

Hai! Chickenboy-san has it on good authority that the stars at night are big and bright...deep in the heart of Texas.

Be sure to put San Antonio on your bucket list for 2024-a full solar eclipse will be running right through my neck of the woods. Supposed to be a zone of total eclipse for 4 minutes and 28 seconds-longer than 2017 was in Kentucky.

https://nationaleclipse.com/maps.html

RE: Really, really OT: Source of Light Pollution in ND?

Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:04 am
by Insano
The silo looking things are oil storage tanks. They are all over the midwest from Texas to Canada.

RE: Really, really OT: Source of Light Pollution in ND?

Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:29 am
by Zorch
ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: geofflambert


Hai! Chickenboy-san has it on good authority that the stars at night are big and bright...deep in the heart of Texas.

Be sure to put San Antonio on your bucket list for 2024-a full solar eclipse will be running right through my neck of the woods. Supposed to be a zone of total eclipse for 4 minutes and 28 seconds-longer than 2017 was in Kentucky.

https://nationaleclipse.com/maps.html
I wonder what happened in prehistoric times - did entire tribes go blind during solar eclipses? [&:]

RE: Really, really OT: Source of Light Pollution in ND?

Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2020 1:51 am
by pontiouspilot
Oh come on guys....ND is covered in oil production sites....Bakken oil. I'm guessing that they are still getting away with flaring. We used to do that but largely quit years ago.

Notwithstanding that I cannot think of a better spot to to do star gazing at night. Just remember that it doesn't get dark until late in the summer.

RE: Really, really OT: Source of Light Pollution in ND?

Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:09 am
by RangerJoe
I personally think that the best place to look for heavenly bodies would be at a beach . . .

RE: Really, really OT: Source of Light Pollution in ND?

Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:50 am
by HansBolter
I should have thought about it a bit more before posting.

The ICBMs are in hardened underground silos not sitting on above ground launch derricks. [8|]

The first post picture illustrates why we chose the property we did.

The club dark sky site near Dade City is not really very dark, but is conveniently close to the Tampa Bay area.

Our friend Matt Terry's property is an order of magnitude darker than the club site and was where we had been going for our monthly new moon outings prior to acquiring our own property.

Our new site is two orders of magnitude darker than Matt's property. It is one mile east of the western edge of the Goethe State Forest which comprises the south east area of what is known as the Gulf Hammock. The hammock is the darkest area in all of Florida. It is much darker than the Everglades. The sky glow from Miami spreads two thirds of the way across the Everglades.

Our sky along the hammock is the darkest I have ever seen in Florida with the summer Milky Way a solid bar of light from tree line to tree line. We couldn't be happier with it.

RE: Really, really OT: Source of Light Pollution in ND?

Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:58 am
by RangerJoe
Now you know why photo recon, especially in WWII, was so difficult to see exactly what was going on. Especially if it was technoligically new such as the V1 and V2.

RE: Really, really OT: Source of Light Pollution in ND?

Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2020 7:28 pm
by rustysi
Its a freakin' fracking site.[:D]

BTW, I hear North Korea is pretty dark at night.[:'(]

RE: Really, really OT: Source of Light Pollution in ND?

Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:31 pm
by alanschu
I remember running into this when you look in the middle of northern, central Russia. My friend and I were wondering why a country's worth of lights was there and I believe it's all tied to oil extraction developments as well.

EDIT: What I find interesting is how intensely my region (Edmonton, Alberta, Canada) really shows how our utilities providers meant it when they wanted to make our region one of the brightest.

RE: Really, really OT: Source of Light Pollution in ND?

Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:11 am
by HansBolter
ORIGINAL: rustysi

BTW, I hear North Korea is pretty dark at night.[:'(]


Decidedly so. However, it doesn't look like much star gazing takes place in the islands of Japan or South Korea.





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RE: Really, really OT: Source of Light Pollution in ND?

Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:23 am
by MakeeLearn
As usual, I'am in the dark.

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RE: Really, really OT: Source of Light Pollution in ND?

Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:18 am
by Zorch
ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

As usual, I'am in the dark.

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But no one has dumped fertilizer on you (yet). [:D]

RE: Really, really OT: Source of Light Pollution in ND?

Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 5:41 pm
by rustysi
ORIGINAL: HansBolter
ORIGINAL: rustysi

BTW, I hear North Korea is pretty dark at night.[:'(]


Decidedly so. However, it doesn't look like much star gazing takes place in the islands of Japan or South Korea.





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Now if we could just get past 'lil Kim', I bet you'd get some good looks at the night sky.[:D]

RE: Really, really OT: Source of Light Pollution in ND?

Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:06 pm
by BBfanboy
ORIGINAL: rustysi
ORIGINAL: HansBolter
ORIGINAL: rustysi

BTW, I hear North Korea is pretty dark at night.[:'(]

Decidedly so. However, it doesn't look like much star gazing takes place in the islands of Japan or South Korea.

Now if we could just get past 'lil Kim', I bet you'd get some good looks at the night sky.[:D]

It isn't a problem getting by him to visit there - but trying to leave can sometimes be an issue. And just carrying a bible can get you jailed for life.

RE: Really, really OT: Source of Light Pollution in ND?

Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:12 pm
by pontiouspilot
Fracking doesn’t by itself create any light sources. Only lights associated with the process or more likely rampant flaring off would create that kind of light. 20 years ago our night skies were full of such flare stacks but it has largely been banned up here for years.

RE: Really, really OT: Source of Light Pollution in ND?

Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2020 12:16 am
by CaptBeefheart
I used to live in Busan (except we called it Pusan back then). From my backyard I had a nice view of the very, very massively lit squid boats off the coast. That's what you see off the coast of Busan, Ulsan and Pohang if anyone is curious.

Cheers,
CB