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RE: Blatant error, decided not to buy the game over it
Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:21 pm
by koplinsol
This a threat?
RE: Blatant error, decided not to buy the game over it
Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:23 pm
by larsieman1988
nah man, he's just letting everybody know he's really skilled at being violent man.
Also, his dad can beat up all our dads. Just letting ya know.
RE: Blatant error, decided not to buy the game over it
Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:34 pm
by OldSarge
So the Galactic Republic thousands of years from now is still using NATO symbols! Cool! [:'(]
RE: Blatant error, decided not to buy the game over it
Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:34 pm
by JWW
A Marine should be able to adapt to the situation on the ground and expect imperfection. I would recommend doing what most people would do with a first day of release game, which is report bugs and fixes that you want. Give Vic a clear, calm, professional report, and carry on.
RE: Blatant error, decided not to buy the game over it
Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:59 pm
by Malevolence
ORIGINAL: Steely Glint
In the bottom left hand hand corner of the first graphic there you can see a truck mounted infantry unit. The NATO symbol on the counter, however, is not the one for motorized infantry but is instead the one for armored infantry.
Speaking as a bonfide expert, if you're going to make a case, get your facts straight.
That is the symbology for a mechanized infantry element. Not armored by STANAG.
That reference, and individual nations, have versions. In some versions, and in some nations, that symbol is perfectly capable of symbolizing motorized elements... such as Russian Motorized Rifle echelons... assuming they are not enemy on the operating picture.
Nice troll. [:D]
RE: Blatant error, decided not to buy the game over it
Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:00 pm
by wodin
Well you are really missing out
ORIGINAL: Steely Glint
I was reading the reviews and the manual and the forum for this game and spotted
https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4823511
In the bottom left hand hand corner of the first graphic there you can see a truck mounted infantry unit. The NATO symbol on the counter, however, is not the one for motorized infantry but is instead the one for
armored infantry.
That's a blatant error. Those two types of infantry are not the same thing, nor even close to it. This blatant error has convinced me that the game does not pay attention to basic military unit functions and differentiation, so I won't be buying it.
RE: Blatant error, decided not to buy the game over it
Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:41 pm
by tucsonbandit
how would you represent a formation of half soft covered trucks, half armored personnel carriers? or 1/3 armored recon, 1/3 soft covered trucks, 1/3 armored personnel carriers? or 1/4 armored recon vehicles, 1/4 mishmash of civilian transportation vehicles, 1/4 armored personnel carriers, 1/4 motorized infantry?
is it really wrong to use mechanized infantry for any of these?
RE: Blatant error, decided not to buy the game over it
Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:48 pm
by JWW
ORIGINAL: tucsonbandit
how would you represent a formation of half soft covered trucks, half armored personnel carriers? or 1/3 armored recon, 1/3 soft covered trucks, 1/3 armored personnel carriers? or 1/4 armored recon vehicles, 1/4 mishmash of civilian transportation vehicles, 1/4 armored personnel carriers, 1/4 motorized infantry?
I'm thinking infantry symbol with this inside it.
RE: Blatant error, decided not to buy the game over it
Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:58 pm
by Malevolence
ORIGINAL: tucsonbandit
how would you represent a formation of half soft covered trucks, half armored personnel carriers? or 1/3 armored recon, 1/3 soft covered trucks, 1/3 armored personnel carriers? or 1/4 armored recon vehicles, 1/4 mishmash of civilian transportation vehicles, 1/4 armored personnel carriers, 1/4 motorized infantry?
is it really wrong to use mechanized infantry for any of these?
It is not wrong.
The symbols are not so definitive. They can contain much more data, modifiers, affiliations, operational condition, and might even include evaluation and reliability ratings for the information shown -- among many other available details.
If you really want to play around, try this link-- (commercial product, made by a swiss company)
https://www.map.army/symbol
RE: Blatant error, decided not to buy the game over it
Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:00 pm
by kosmoface
ORIGINAL: OldSarge
So the Galactic Republic thousands of years from now is still using NATO symbols! Cool! [:'(]
I love this comment.
RE: Blatant error, decided not to buy the game over it
Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:11 pm
by JWW
ORIGINAL: kosmoface
ORIGINAL: OldSarge
So the Galactic Republic thousands of years from now is still using NATO symbols! Cool! [:'(]
I love this comment.
Vic's fault. He should have thought of this and invented an entirely new Galactic Republic military symbol library we could have learned. [:D]
RE: Blatant error, decided not to buy the game over it
Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:11 pm
by kaliyama
ORIGINAL: Astyreal
Too many MREs, methinks
My money is on CREs.
RE: Blatant error, decided not to buy the game over it
Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2020 12:15 am
by Adam Rinkleff
This blatant error has convinced me that the game does not pay attention to basic military unit functions and differentiation.
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This is essentially the same difference as between a black bear and a grizzly bear.
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is it okay to label a bass as a trout?
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violence is the first resort of those who are really good at it. I should know.
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RE: Blatant error, decided not to buy the game over it
Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2020 5:44 am
by Aaron321
This is the most idiotic thing i have seen today, good job [:D]
RE: Blatant error, decided not to buy the game over it
Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2020 6:15 am
by IslandInland
ORIGINAL: Steely Glint
ORIGINAL: koplinsol
Got it, not a joke.
Nope. Dead serious. Oh, and FYI: violence is the
first resort of those who are really good at it. I should know.
Edgy.
[:D]
It's a sci-fi 4X game. If the counters are really that important to you then maybe a sci-fi 4X game isn't your thing...
RE: Blatant error, decided not to buy the game over it
Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2020 6:20 am
by Bleek
This has got to be a wind up, surely?
I think you chaps have been trolled!
RE: Blatant error, decided not to buy the game over it
Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2020 6:28 am
by IslandInland
ORIGINAL: Bleek
This has got to be a wind up, surely?
I think you chaps have been trolled!
If that's the case it's a great troll.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law
[:)]
RE: Blatant error, decided not to buy the game over it
Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2020 6:36 am
by Bleek
Bursting a blood vessel over NATO symbol accuracies, for a game set some 1,000 years in the future?
Perhaps the least productive use of one's time!
Without turning this in to a witch hunt - I suggest the OP needs some time away from their computer.
RE: Blatant error, decided not to buy the game over it
Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2020 6:38 am
by IslandInland
ORIGINAL: Bleek
Bursting a blood vessel over NATO symbol accuracies, for a game set some 1,000 years in the future?
Perhaps the least productive use of one's time!
Without turning this in to a witch hunt - I suggest the OP needs some time away from their computer.
I agree and I think he has. It's the biggest over reaction I've seen in a long time on these forums.
RE: Blatant error, decided not to buy the game over it
Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2020 8:08 am
by pzgndr
If the OP was about the lack of Oxford commas in the manual, well, then THAT might be a valid reason. Wait till the rules lawyers get into it! LOL [;)]
BTW, got the game and fired it up, despite the missing Oxford commas. All good. SE is similar in some ways to
Armageddon Empires but with a more traditional wargame feel. Very cool.