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ORIGINAL: zgrssd

Using conventional military vs large animal groups. And failing at that. Where have I heard of that one before? Oh right:
The Great Australian Emu War of 1932

ORIGINAL: GodwinW

I love that wildlife can be very strong (all non-strong wildlife is just ignored by the game anyway (I'm not going to believe planets have just 5 lifeforms on them)), variety is king. I really want more variety, not less (I've rolled a start on a tiny island near the north pole without roads once in 1.01, been trying to get that again in 1.03 but alas not happened so far!).

You can check the offensiveness and competitiveness of wildlife in the auxiliary pages, but it would be nice if their strength/power was included in the main Biosphere page.
Something like:

Wildlife danger: None, Minimal, Harsh, Extreme

ORIGINAL: Meteor2
I can not imagine any lifeform (other than very, very, very exotic), that survives a burst from an MG.
The „armor“ of the creature has to be of 1 cm solid metal.
Do we need another concept or more fantasy?

ORIGINAL: demiare

I don't want to disappoint you but 1cm of metal will not stop MG military-grade ammo. Especially from vehicle-based MG
Any water-based large lifeform will have zero chances against modern military - even rifles will deal mortal wounds to it (as bullet hits lead to necrosis) plus artillery & anti-tank weapons will easily kill them. People are tricked by endless action movies as in real life most of times a single bullet hit is a ticket to hospital.

And game already is a heavy fantasy. Solar plants available before laser or at least electric engine techs and ignoring planet orbit radius, "slavers" and "raiders" instead of farmers on lifeless planets, howitzers as separate option for tank design, 300mm guns for not mechanized artillery, tactical nukes researched before strategic ones, current values of ammo consumption... All this is a pure fantasy.

My IMHO - combat treat from alien lifeforms should be an option, like cults and so on (or at least "powerful lifeform" as an option and without it animal stats should at worst be equal to militia infantry). It add nothing to game, it's completely unrealistic (same as cults with stat boosts and major corporations in post-apocalypse world). Someone will like it, true, but for me it's a big facepalm when I see pack of animals having soft attack value of artillery or MG.

ORIGINAL: demiare

ORIGINAL: Meteor2
I can not imagine any lifeform (other than very, very, very exotic), that survives a burst from an MG.
The „armor“ of the creature has to be of 1 cm solid metal.
Do we need another concept or more fantasy?

I don't want to disappoint you but 1cm of metal will not stop MG military-grade ammo. Especially from vehicle-based MG
Any water-based large lifeform will have zero chances against modern military - even rifles will deal mortal wounds to it (as bullet hits lead to necrosis) plus artillery & anti-tank weapons will easily kill them. People are tricked by endless action movies as in real life most of times a single bullet hit is a ticket to hospital.

And game already is a heavy fantasy. Solar plants available before laser or at least electric engine techs and ignoring planet orbit radius, "slavers" and "raiders" instead of farmers on lifeless planets, howitzers as separate option for tank design, 300mm guns for not mechanized artillery, tactical nukes researched before strategic ones, current values of ammo consumption... All this is a pure fantasy.

My IMHO - combat treat from alien lifeforms should be an option, like cults and so on (or at least "powerful lifeform" as an option and without it animal stats should at worst be equal to militia infantry). It add nothing to game, it's completely unrealistic (same as cults with stat boosts and major corporations in post-apocalypse world). Someone will like it, true, but for me it's a big facepalm when I see pack of animals having soft attack value of artillery or MG.

ORIGINAL: Meteor2

Despite the sci-fi environment and all fantasy, organic, more or less dump creatures, should have NO chance against any modern weapon.
I can not imagine any lifeform (other than very, very, very exotic), that survives a burst from an MG.
The „armor“ of the creature has to be of 1 cm solid metal.
Do we need another concept or more fantasy?

ORIGINAL: zgrssd
At their best, the Task Force vs the Emu needed 10 bullets per confirmed killed Emu. And that is a Emu. The only danger was from them eating the fields!

ORIGINAL: Malevolence

So you will not be at the <LINK WAS THERE> launch party? [:D]

ORIGINAL: zgrssd

That is what the Australians thought when they send the Army vs Emus. You could kill one really, really hard. But that does not help against the other 99 in his subunit wich then moved away 1-2km. And then came back a hour after you left.
And those groups are more then just 1 subunit.

At their best, the Task Force vs the Emu needed 10 bullets per confirmed killed Emu. And that is a Emu. The only danger was from them eating the fields!

ORIGINAL: Arkangilos

I agree that they shouldn’t change borders, but I don’t see these as straight battles against them, rather it is a systematic hunting of them in their layers and such.

I kind of envision some of them being like hives of the worms from tremors where they can pop out at vulnerable spots and such. But in my game they never beat me when they were attacking because then it isn’t a hunt.

It would also be cool if you could get food out of them.

As an aside, having watched Spy Eye In The Sky now for many turns. They rarely, if ever penetrate, into AI controlled territory on their own.

ORIGINAL: KingHalford
They're supposed to be aliens, they could be more powerful than anything we could possibly imagine. It's also quite easy to turn them off, just don't generate a planet with them on.

ORIGINAL: Tchey

Wildlife could have territory, from 1 to 5 hex maybe, and completely ignore player and other factions as long as they don’t venture into the territory.
The they could attack, flea, hide...
Also some could migrate, moving north/south by 1 hex every few turns.