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RE: Refuel options with CS Task Forces and Waypoints
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 4:27 pm
by PaxMondo
ORIGINAL: Lowpe
ORIGINAL: PaxMondo
ORIGINAL: Lowpe
How can you avoid re-fueling at home port? I can't for the life of me figure it out.[&:]
I have no problems with waypoints & return trip routing & speed, except for when waypoints coincide with the destination hex.
Choose the end where you want the re-fueling to ocurr to be the homeport (if it is one of the ends). in your case, it would mean flip the convoy to home port at the other side.
EX: Palembang is the home port for the convoy, not Nagasaki.
Ah, but you see you are still filling up the tanks at one end or the other. And if you flip them, you are must carry something both ways.
I guess I am just trying to really conserve the fuel too much.
I guess I am missing something here. Gimme an example of what you want to do ...
RE: Refuel options with CS Task Forces and Waypoints
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 4:36 pm
by Lowpe
ORIGINAL: RangerJoe
You are better filling up from the source (Palembang) and not to where you are shipping it to.
Wouldn't it be better to ship to Singapore and then have a larger and better protected convoy moving the fuel from Singapore?
I generally don't run largish merchant convoys, not even tanker ones.
I just don't want to fully fill up, though. An Aden carries 1000 fuel, a Lima 1500. They are may CS workhorses. But on most CS routes they could get by with a 25% fuel load.
I guess it is a moot point, since most of those CS convoys get shut down by the end game, and their fuel can be made available to other ships via refueling.
RE: Refuel options with CS Task Forces and Waypoints
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 4:45 pm
by Lowpe
ORIGINAL: PaxMondo
ORIGINAL: Lowpe
ORIGINAL: PaxMondo
Choose the end where you want the re-fueling to ocurr to be the homeport (if it is one of the ends). in your case, it would mean flip the convoy to home port at the other side.
EX: Palembang is the home port for the convoy, not Nagasaki.
Ah, but you see you are still filling up the tanks at one end or the other. And if you flip them, you are must carry something both ways.
I guess I am just trying to really conserve the fuel too much.
I guess I am missing something here. Gimme an example of what you want to do ...
Well, I primarily use Adens and Lima to run CS for resources. There is close to 200 of them give or take, and I tend to use lots draining Hokkaido and Sakhalin of resources in single ship convoys. A steady stream. I would love to give them say 200 fuel instead of 1,000 or 1,500 taken with the fuel taken from Hokkaido and Sakhalin. The goal always is to have enough resources on Honshu to shut down resource convoys entirely in the late game.
Sakhalin I let run dry of fuel, but I need to check the ships every now and then when they run dry. Perhaps I can automate this too, with a small tanker delivery on CS? Not sure that the fuel would be distributed equally though.
Hokkaido has HI and must have fuel stocks.
And then it would be nice if the most at risk merchant ships, the tankers, were carrying only tactical fuel loads too and their escorts.
RE: Refuel options with CS Task Forces and Waypoints
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 5:04 pm
by RangerJoe
With larger convoys from ports such as Singapore, you should need fewer escorts so you have more ASW TFs. I like to use the small SCs in the ASW TFs in shallow water only. Have them along the route with only the one hex to patrol, with air search and ASW. If the enemy subs show up, they are usually attacked since the ASw TF is already there. The Formosa straight is an excellent place for those. Between Singapore and SE Indochina as well.
If you manually run the convoys you can also have the convoys follow a good ASW TF. I don't but I haven't gotten that far as Japanese to when the American Mark 14 improves.
RE: Refuel options with CS Task Forces and Waypoints
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 5:22 pm
by Lowpe
We are getting pretty far off topic.[;)]
I wanted to understand the refueling mechanics of CS convoys and waypoints. Thanks to Alfred, and a little testing I do so now.
RE: Refuel options with CS Task Forces and Waypoints
Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 12:01 am
by PaxMondo
ORIGINAL: Lowpe
ORIGINAL: PaxMondo
ORIGINAL: Lowpe
Ah, but you see you are still filling up the tanks at one end or the other. And if you flip them, you are must carry something both ways.
I guess I am just trying to really conserve the fuel too much.
I guess I am missing something here. Gimme an example of what you want to do ...
Well, I primarily use Adens and Lima to run CS for resources. There is close to 200 of them give or take, and I tend to use lots draining Hokkaido and Sakhalin of resources in single ship convoys. A steady stream. I would love to give them say 200 fuel instead of 1,000 or 1,500 taken with the fuel taken from Hokkaido and Sakhalin. The goal always is to have enough resources on Honshu to shut down resource convoys entirely in the late game.
Sakhalin I let run dry of fuel, but I need to check the ships every now and then when they run dry. Perhaps I can automate this too, with a small tanker delivery on CS? Not sure that the fuel would be distributed equally though.
Hokkaido has HI and must have fuel stocks.
And then it would be nice if the most at risk merchant ships, the tankers, were carrying only tactical fuel loads too and their escorts.
ok, so still not clear ... [&:]
Between Alfred and me, we are saying the same thing and it works.
CS TF's refuel at the home port. So, you always want the home port to be the location that you want to suck fuel from, like Palembang or Sakhalin. Then choose "Do not refuel" and it won't refuel at the destination.
Now the tricky ones are where you do not want fuel to be taken at either end. Then, I use waypoints. I cannot eliminate all fuel loss at the home port, but if I fully refuel at the closest location to the home port, I can minimize the fuel loss at the home port.
RE: Refuel options with CS Task Forces and Waypoints
Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 1:25 am
by Alfred
ORIGINAL: fcooke
Alfred showing off his Latin skills.....[:'(]
Latin is a very precise language. Superb at conveying concepts succinctly and accurately. This characteristic is why it is still prominent in legal affairs.
Now classical Greek, such an effeminate language by comparison, perfect for the wishy washy nature of philosophical discussion aided by a bottle of wine.
Solely based on the two languages, even Marvin the Martian would be able to pick who was capable of building such good infrastructure as the roads, aqueducts and plumbing.
Alfred
RE: Refuel options with CS Task Forces and Waypoints
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:42 pm
by stuman
And this thread is one of the many, many great examples of why I have been lurking here for a dozen plus years.