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ORIGINAL: stockwellpete

In my latest game against the AI (Entente), it has sent a tank up into the mountains! As we used to say, "Far out, man!"[:)]

ORIGINAL: Chernobyl

No I am part of your consensus! I just felt like I have made too many "demanding" sounding posts lately so I wanted to make a joke, not at your expense!

But I am curious were you able to easily take Trent with just mass Italian corps assaults and that's it? I haven't really tested it. But if that's the case then it really does need to be a stronger defense hex.

Consider that the Central Powers can't really do anything more than just stick a corps in Trent and just hope for the best. They can't advance to gain space/leverage because the Italians have the opportunity to occupy the border mountain hexes. The only way to change the situation is artillery, which takes time.

Not saying the overall situation is unfair in Italy, but maybe add some reasonable breathing space for a NM objective.

Perhaps instead of making Trent a fortress town, I might slightly edit the border and add some fort ring hexes like Switzerland gets. Padua is actually south of Venice so it makes sense to move that town and perhaps the railroad one hex south. I added a picture of what the new forts might look like. They stick out and don't really present a serious threat to Italy in terms of an austrian breakout, but at the same time they make a direct assault on Trent less feasable. Not sure if it's a completely fair, balanced and historically acceptable border but it was what I came up with.

ORIGINAL: OldCrowBalthazor

Why not just this? Trento as a fortress. No change of borders, (at least, till the war starts that is [;)]).

It would make the CP player feel a little more secure, and if the Italians take it, then the Po Valley would be safer from an offensive in that sector and one Italy's strategic and political objectives will be met at a higher cost they usually don't pay as it is now.

A Fortress here would also give both sides even more incentive to hold Trento and even try to take it back if it is lost. Also, it seems to me this would be more realistic historically as Austria-Hungary didn't lose Trento till Nov 1918 with AH's collapse.

ORIGINAL: stockwellpete

ORIGINAL: OldCrowBalthazor

Why not just this? Trento as a fortress. No change of borders, (at least, till the war starts that is [;)]).

It would make the CP player feel a little more secure, and if the Italians take it, then the Po Valley would be safer from an offensive in that sector and one Italy's strategic and political objectives will be met at a higher cost they usually don't pay as it is now.

A Fortress here would also give both sides even more incentive to hold Trento and even try to take it back if it is lost. Also, it seems to me this would be more realistic historically as Austria-Hungary didn't lose Trento till Nov 1918 with AH's collapse.

Which is stronger?

Trento as a fortress with an Infantry Corp in it, or Trento as a Mountain hex with a Mountain Corps in it?

ORIGINAL: OldCrowBalthazor

I'm not sure, but you would want it as a Fortress because of its resource value I would presume. Anyway, that entire area was heavily fortified. As things stand right now..its just a town in game and doesn't get the mountain defensive bonus. I'm starting to lean to the fort model.

Also, I have been relooking at your suggestion about the Alto Adige. The problem is of course, limited space already there to operate. Maybe on a different scale it would work...not sure but am fooling around with it from this end. (Thats in between 3 mp games plus RL fandangos and wifey 'honey do's" haha)

ORIGINAL: stockwellpete

ORIGINAL: OldCrowBalthazor

I'm not sure, but you would want it as a Fortress because of its resource value I would presume. Anyway, that entire area was heavily fortified. As things stand right now..its just a town in game and doesn't get the mountain defensive bonus. I'm starting to lean to the fort model.

I am wondering whether making Trento a Mountain hex is viable too. Given that the defensive bonuses are not cumulative - and that the three square next to Trento that the Italians can initially occupy with their Infantry Corps units are all Mountain hexes, would the combat calculations benefit the Austro-Hungarians more if they defended with a Mountain Corps? The problem is that as soon as the Italians get an Artillery unit upgraded, they can put it 2 hexes away from Trento and it is bound to fall. So anything that is done in this area also depends on an artillery adjustment too.

Also, I have been relooking at your suggestion about the Alto Adige. The problem is of course, limited space already there to operate. Maybe on a different scale it would work...not sure but am fooling around with it from this end. (Thats in between 3 mp games plus RL fandangos and wifey 'honey do's" haha)

Even if just the one hex with "Alto Adige" on it was made impassable then that would be enough to separate Trentino from Isonzo and prevent the AI from developing a broad front offensive in the area.

ORIGINAL: OldCrowBalthazor

The thing is, Trento generates MMP's and supply...take that away, and just say its a mountain for defensive reasons diminishes Trento as it is, doesn't it? Plus that resource is tied to NM for both states.

btw..which hex would you propose again for the impassable hex. You had named a few. I could play around with that in a personal mod just for these problems that are being discussed dealing with just this front. Might take a few days or so but my curiosity is up haha.

ORIGINAL: shri

My opponent slammed into Trentino despite me putting the AlpenKorps with trenches there. He used the entire Italian starting army of 5 full corps to smash it and overrun.
Then he used the 3 french cavalry to guard the northern flank, result is Austria is now nearly Kaput, too many weak detachments about to die at the hands of a combined assault.