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ORIGINAL: zgrssd

No, the railway system is pretty much a line with the "6 directions" feeding into this single line, you can see it has used 28349 logistic points that turn on that single direction. The cities are surrounded by railway stations that feed into the main line. I use traffic signs to block logistic points from feeding into the single-hex railstations, so the logistic points DO NOT get split.

Those numbers do not add up:
If one direction has 28349 and the other has 9279 the SHQ should have 37628 total logistics from Railway alone!
As it only has 29689 and 28349 go west, that means there is only a connection of 1340 going to that first hex going east.

You somehow cut the railline comming from the east. Game propably has to use the lower 10% of capacity or trucks to move goods to the station literally one hex outside the city.
I would guess it is that 95% block on a main artery, set to also affect pull points!

ORIGINAL: Akrakorn

ORIGINAL: zgrssd

No, the railway system is pretty much a line with the "6 directions" feeding into this single line, you can see it has used 28349 logistic points that turn on that single direction. The cities are surrounded by railway stations that feed into the main line. I use traffic signs to block logistic points from feeding into the single-hex railstations, so the logistic points DO NOT get split.

Those numbers do not add up:
If one direction has 28349 and the other has 9279 the SHQ should have 37628 total logistics from Railway alone!
As it only has 29689 and 28349 go west, that means there is only a connection of 1340 going to that first hex going east.

You somehow cut the railline comming from the east. Game propably has to use the lower 10% of capacity or trucks to move goods to the station literally one hex outside the city.
I would guess it is that 95% block on a main artery, set to also affect pull points!

No, that was the "initial points" overlay. This is the "used points" overlay, and the numbers match.

ORIGINAL: zgrssd

ORIGINAL: Akrakorn

ORIGINAL: zgrssd


Those numbers do not add up:
If one direction has 28349 and the other has 9279 the SHQ should have 37628 total logistics from Railway alone!
As it only has 29689 and 28349 go west, that means there is only a connection of 1340 going to that first hex going east.

You somehow cut the railline comming from the east. Game propably has to use the lower 10% of capacity or trucks to move goods to the station literally one hex outside the city.
I would guess it is that 95% block on a main artery, set to also affect pull points!

No, that was the "initial points" overlay. This is the "used points" overlay, and the numbers match.

You already said the issue is the eastern army not getting supplies.
The east, for wich only 2212 of the 9200 points are used.
The east, wich wich the numbers do not add up on under the SHQ and the first Hex outside it.
The east, for wich a bottleneck was displayed right between those two hexes.

The Initial poitns where eactly what was needed for debugging this.

You messed up. It happens. You now know how and why. Just fix it.

he says that "There is no railway station in the city itself, so the points do not get refocused". Does this not mean that the city has only access to 5 percent of the throughput from all the rail capacity built around the city?

ORIGINAL: whollaborg

As @Akrakorn is now surrendering our game I dear to peek in to this post.

he says that "There is no railway station in the city itself, so the points do not get refocused". Does this not mean that the city has only access to 5 percent of the throughput from all the rail capacity built around the city? Also, because the truckstations stop some of the through going supply points, if I remember correctly, maybe the capital city stops some of the supply points starting from those railstations whose only one hex rail goes to city.

ORIGINAL: zgrssd

The city only has directly access to the free part of the Railway logistics.

ORIGINAL: zgrssd

However trucks can ship the goods out of the city hex, to the railway hexes and from there let them go by train.
But the whole point of a Railway system is to get Logistics useage off the roads. Not putting a station directly under the SHQ breaks that.

No, because the city and the cities surrounding it have railheads. Truckstations do not refocus rail points.

I really do not know what you mean by this. Trucks are not shipping anything to the railway hexes because the railway hexes are generating their own points. There is 0 need to put a station under an SHQ, it doesn't break anything. As long as point A and point B are connected, all points between A and B have full access to the logistic system, regardless of what is on them.

ORIGINAL: zgrssd
Who said anything about refocussing? Please stop harping on about refocussing. It has no relevancy here.

ORIGINAL: zgrssd
Goods can only enter or leave the railway System at a Station or Railhead.

ORIGINAL: Akrakorn

ORIGINAL: AgentFransis

He obviously has a railhead in the city...
The star railway layout is the currently the optimal way to increase capacity since it avoids refocusing and building more level 1 rail stations is more efficient than upgrading (since level 2 rail stations only add 2000 points, the same as a new level 1, but cost twice as much and twice as long to build).

ORIGINAL: Akrakorn

I'm going to attach an image and a save to explain that it is not necessary to build railstations on the SHQ.


In the image, point A has a railstation and point B has a railhead. All other assets have been closed, so they are not active. The truckstation in the city doesn't refocus the railway points. The city has access to all ralway points despite not having an active railway station on it.

File with the save if you want to take a look: https://mega.nz/file/FpEl3KzQ#wfHhOccsI ... D96-sfnkxI

SHQ
   Truck Station
     Road Network
   Rail Station
     Rail Network

SHQ
   Truck Station
     Road Network
       Rail Station
         Rail Network

ORIGINAL: zgrssd
I trust that manual as far as I can throw it.
This is a digital manual, meaning I can not even grab it. Wich means I can throw it 0 plank lenghts!

ORIGINAL: zgrssd
Meaning you sucessfully took the Railway network and bottlenecked it to the Truck station under the SHQ. So it is good for sabotaging your SHQ logistics network, but not much else.

That's great and all, but the manual was written by Vic, who knows more about how logistics work than you do.

ORIGINAL: zgrssd

That's great and all, but the manual was written by Vic, who knows more about how logistics work than you do.

1) That a programmer knows every nook and cranny of a Programm he is writing is a bad rumor. Please do not spread it.
2) That he never forgets to update the Manual is ... a theory that has never been confirmed.