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RE: War in the East 2 Full Manual Previews
Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:42 pm
by Narisomo
Perfectionism, and being accurate. I like it. [8|]
Another view of why "Toten" is not an ideal abbreviation:
Totenkopf is a composition of the words Toter (dead) und Kopf (head), or to be more exact: It is the composition of the stem of Toter (
Tot) and the epenthesis
en and
Kopf. The result is Tot
enkopf. Note that
en is an infix, an addition of a sound and not a word on its own or a part of
Tot. Its function is to connect two words, but Tot
en doesn't have a second word. So to me, it looks odd and doesn't even look like an abbreviation, it's just truncated, ending with the
en infix.
Toten (or with a noun marker "die Toten") is also the plural of "der Tote" and means dead people. This is probably what Hanny is thinking about. I don't, the grammatical case doesn't fit in that case. Maybe this makes it odd too.
Using "Tot" is bad too because it looks like a misspelling of
Tod (death) and not like an abbreviation of Totenkopf. TKopf is the best I can think of. Or SS TK or SS T would be fine for me, but I lack the historical background and don't know if it is historically accurate.
RE: War in the East 2 Full Manual Previews
Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:16 pm
by Sammy5IsAlive
I'm sure everyone wants the game to be as historically accurate as possible.
What I've seen done elsewhere is a separate pinned thread for 'data issues' so that debates like this, which are worth getting right but which are pretty inconsequential in terms of the core gameplay, are separated off into one place in the hope that it a) helps the developers deal with them more systematically and b) avoids threads being dragged off on a tangent as we've seen above.
RE: War in the East 2 Full Manual Previews
Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:55 am
by pbrowne
I'm sure the manual will be great. My major concern is how quickly it will get out of date, which in itself is obviously not a bad thing as the game gets updated...
Just out of interest, having visited the OKW Bendlerblock where he was shot in the courtyard, I note Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg (Op Valkyrie) in the photo with Hitler on P.5 of the manual.
RE: War in the East 2 Full Manual Previews
Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:15 am
by Hanny
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ORIGINAL: Narisomo
Perfectionism, and being accurate. I like it. [8|]
Another view of why "Toten" is not an ideal abbreviation:
Totenkopf is a composition of the words Toter (dead) und Kopf (head), or to be more exact: It is the composition of the stem of Toter (
Tot) and the epenthesis
en and
Kopf. The result is Tot
enkopf. Note that
en is an infix, an addition of a sound and not a word on its own or a part of
Tot. Its function is to connect two words, but Tot
en doesn't have a second word. So to me, it looks odd and doesn't even look like an abbreviation, it's just truncated, ending with the
en infix.
Toten (or with a noun marker "die Toten") is also the plural of "der Tote" and means dead people. This is probably what Hanny is thinking about. I don't, the grammatical case doesn't fit in that case. Maybe this makes it odd too.
Using "Tot" is bad too because it looks like a misspelling of
Tod (death) and not like an abbreviation of Totenkopf. TKopf is the best I can think of. Or SS TK or SS T would be fine for me, but I lack the historical background and don't know if it is historically accurate.
Agree.
unit info in game has notational name changes, so that’s not an issue, unit counters now have three modes, a vast improvement, but it appears to have a single name convention for the player convieiance, whatever name it’s given has to be a compromise for technical reason as you don’t want on the fly to full unit counters with names changes. what you want, and what the game gives you is functionality, as a player you want to know the CV value in different postures, and which unit it is, clearly numerals convey that info easily for the user. It may be the unit counters change name over time, we will have to wait and see.
RE: War in the East 2 Full Manual Previews
Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2021 8:46 am
by squatter
Just want to say that whoever's responsible for the 1-page guides in this manual has done a fantastic job.
I write for a living, and I don't think I've ever seen such a good job of concise communication in a game manual before.
Top notch work.
RE: War in the East 2 Full Manual Previews
Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2021 9:20 am
by loki100
ORIGINAL: squatter
Just want to say that whoever's responsible for the 1-page guides in this manual has done a fantastic job.
I write for a living, and I don't think I've ever seen such a good job of concise communication in a game manual before.
Top notch work.
all credit for the one page guides goes to Red Lancer.
I agree, they are masterpieces of their form
RE: War in the East 2 Full Manual Previews
Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:46 am
by Hanny
ORIGINAL: squatter
Just want to say that whoever's responsible for the 1-page guides in this manual has done a fantastic job.
I write for a living, and I don't think I've ever seen such a good job of concise communication in a game manual before.
Top notch work.
Agreed, coming soon to my games den as laminated aids......
RE: War in the East 2 Full Manual Previews
Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:54 am
by Erik Rutins
I've added a new preview of Chapters 5-6 above, covering the Sequence of Play and the User Interface.
RE: War in the East 2 Full Manual Previews
Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2021 12:53 pm
by Barrold713
The first link to the Chapter 2-4 is not working currently.
Thanks
BDH
RE: War in the East 2 Full Manual Previews
Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:05 pm
by Erik Rutins
Sorry, was testing a mirrored link, fixed again now.
RE: War in the East 2 Full Manual Previews
Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:54 pm
by ranknfile
With the two manual sections and today's video, WitE2 is looking to be my next gaming addiction! I especially like the button that shows the dates when cities were actually captured; that will help me to see how I fare compared to history. Many hours of enjoyment ahead for me with this. Really well done update of the original game!
RE: War in the East 2 Full Manual Previews
Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 4:32 pm
by MAS
I'm almost done reading the first 2 links to the manual. Please post more!
RE: War in the East 2 Full Manual Previews
Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 5:07 pm
by Erik Rutins
ORIGINAL: MAS
I'm almost done reading the first 2 links to the manual. Please post more!
Chapters 7-11 added to the first post. Have a good weekend.
RE: War in the East 2 Full Manual Previews
Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:01 pm
by MAS
Thankyou Erik, you too!
RE: War in the East 2 Full Manual Previews
Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2021 12:52 am
by moberly
Guys, just wanted to compliment you on the manual. It looks fantastic, especially, as mentioned above, the one page guides. I don't generally buy printed manuals for complex games because of changes in the mechanics in the software down the line, but I made an exception here. Thanks for providing samples -- you should be proud of your work here.
RE: War in the East 2 Full Manual Previews
Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2021 2:01 pm
by Rommel76
This is GREAT!! Thank you guys!!
RE: War in the East 2 Full Manual Previews
Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2021 8:39 am
by HOTEC
The Editor appears in the loading screens. May I have the Editor Manual for previews?
RE: War in the East 2 Full Manual Previews
Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2021 8:43 am
by RedLancer
There is no Editor Manual I'm afraid.
RE: War in the East 2 Full Manual Previews
Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:20 am
by ranknfile
More of the manual please (or all of it! That would be nice!).
RE: War in the East 2 Full Manual Previews
Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2021 12:15 pm
by HOTEC
I concur all chapters of manual, please.
Regarding the Editor, would it be operated similar to the old WitE.