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RE: maximum carriers in a task force?
Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:50 am
by Sardaukar
Only downside with coordination penalty is that your strikes may arrive unescorted. That obviously is a bad thing when facing heavy air opposition.
I have not worried about that too much, since I rarely use carrier air against land targets...and at sea with numbers that usually can overwhelm enemy CAP.
RE: maximum carriers in a task force?
Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 12:34 pm
by pontiouspilot
and that is why I am pontiouspilot!
RE: maximum carriers in a task force?
Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 5:07 am
by sven6345789
"Nope. There is no maximum."
I am aware that you can form larger taskforces. There is no need for that in my opinion.
If you put 6 CVs in one TF all will come under attack if this TF is attacked.
Of course, for the Allies, it doesn't matter anymore in 1944/45 since the japanese should have extreme difficulties getting through the fighter cover and the flak.
RE: maximum carriers in a task force?
Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 8:16 am
by HansBolter
ORIGINAL: sven6345789
"Nope. There is no maximum."
I am aware that you can form larger taskforces. There is no need for that in my opinion.
If you put 6 CVs in one TF all will come under attack if this TF is attacked.
Of course, for the Allies, it doesn't matter anymore in 1944/45 since the japanese should have extreme difficulties getting through the fighter cover and the flak.
Leakers get through no matter how large the cap.
I have had carriers sent home to for dry dock repairs when covered by a 1500 plane CAP consisting of mostly Corsairs and Bearcats.
The real point is that by that time losing 3-6 carriers from the Death Star while on station off the HI is simply the cost of doing business and does not result in the kind of setback losing 3-6 carriers in '42-'43 does.
RE: maximum carriers in a task force?
Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 1:16 pm
by castor troy
ORIGINAL: Mower
Im pretty sure the AI IJN is putting all 6 of the Kido Butai in one TF.
not just the AI, me too and it works just perfectly. As the IJ I put up to ten CVs into one carrier TF and it works just as well or as bad as only having four.
RE: maximum carriers in a task force?
Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 1:18 pm
by castor troy
ORIGINAL: Lokasenna
ORIGINAL: sven6345789
The chance of uncoordination is doubled under the following circumstances:
»»Allied TF in 1942 and the number of aircraft in the TF is greater than 100 + rnd (100).
»»Allied TF in 1943 and the number of aircraft in the TF is greater than 150 + rnd (150).
»»Allied TF in 1944 or later or a Japanese TF at any time and the number of aircraft in the TF is greater than 200 + rnd (200).
That translates to
Japan maximum: 4 CV or 2 CV + 4 CVL
Allied Maximum: 3 CV or 2 CV + 2 CVL
To minimize the chance of your whole CV-Fleet going down in one attack, i recommend 2 CVs per task force, with 1 or 2 CVLs if available.
Nope. There is no maximum.
Limiting yourself to these proposed limits is... well, only limiting yourself.
Do not let this rule in the code dictate what you do. It really does not make as much difference as any of your other considerations. Do not consider it at all.
If this rule enters into your calculus, you've made a mistake.
Trust Loka, 100% true!
RE: maximum carriers in a task force?
Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 2:49 pm
by Nomad
ORIGINAL: castor troy
ORIGINAL: Lokasenna
ORIGINAL: sven6345789
The chance of uncoordination is doubled under the following circumstances:
»»Allied TF in 1942 and the number of aircraft in the TF is greater than 100 + rnd (100).
»»Allied TF in 1943 and the number of aircraft in the TF is greater than 150 + rnd (150).
»»Allied TF in 1944 or later or a Japanese TF at any time and the number of aircraft in the TF is greater than 200 + rnd (200).
That translates to
Japan maximum: 4 CV or 2 CV + 4 CVL
Allied Maximum: 3 CV or 2 CV + 2 CVL
To minimize the chance of your whole CV-Fleet going down in one attack, i recommend 2 CVs per task force, with 1 or 2 CVLs if available.
Nope. There is no maximum.
Limiting yourself to these proposed limits is... well, only limiting yourself.
Do not let this rule in the code dictate what you do. It really does not make as much difference as any of your other considerations. Do not consider it at all.
If this rule enters into your calculus, you've made a mistake.
Trust Loka, 100% true!
I agree also. The right answer to the OP is 25, that is the maximum size of a CV TF.
RE: maximum carriers in a task force?
Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 4:02 pm
by Macclan5
ORIGINAL: HansBolter
+1
I typically run the following set up with no discernable negative impact on coordination:
'42: 2 CVs
'43: 2 CVs + 2 CVLs
'44: 4 CVs + 2 CVLs
'45 on: 4-6 CVs + 2 CVLs
As many do, I also keep multiple CV TFs following a leader, staying together in a single hex [AKA..Death Star (DS)] and consistently get coordinated strikes from the entire group.
The coordination penalty, like the non-carrier trained penalty, is negligible.
+2
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43 3 CV + 1 CVL
It all depends on 'timing' - which ones are 'delivered and in Pearl vs which ones are in the Canal.
i.e. Its different in July 43 vs November 43