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I always find it hard to take the word of someone who is a huge fan of something. They tend to go overboard with how great it is. For instance I've seen lots of movies with four out of five stars but when I watch it I'm wondering if they saw the same movie I was watching. Cult classics can fall into that trap. When you have to shell out $72 U.S. it's even harder to want to go for it.

Wonder why there's never a demo for a game that costs that much. [:'(]

Fair enough. I'll just continue to enjoy the game.

Anyhow...this original post was to ask on Steel Tigers. Seems no updates or news in that case[;)]

ORIGINAL: Lobster

I always find it hard to take the word of someone who is a huge fan of something. They tend to go overboard with how great it is. For instance I've seen lots of movies with four out of five stars but when I watch it I'm wondering if they saw the same movie I was watching.

I just had this experience with Zack Snyder's Justice League (I talked about it in the movie thread). The level of stupidity in the script is off scale and yet the internet just exploded in admiration. Even if I recognise that Zack Snyder is a technical master (and he is) there are still stretches of the movie where nothing happens - and thus Snyder can't show his mastery of the cinematic language.

The interesting part is how all the enthusiastic reviews are based on "This movie is incredibly better than the Wheldon version!" (which I haven't seen). Not a single review tackles some very fundamental questions of the "Did I just see this?! These things happened FOR REAL?? [X(] kind.

I can't say more without spoiling the movie. However, IMHO it is a prime example of "It is better that the predecessor so it is good!" fallacy. One thing doesn't automatically lead to the other.

ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer

"Pockets work much better."

You men, always with the better pockets

So it looks like most of the new is in interface design?

Hmm, 100 bucks for a new dress. Not sure. And if you can't sell a woman on a new dress, yer going to need to try harder guys.

You can down load the manual and get a more in-depth viewpoint.

List of differences between WitE 1 and 2:
https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4985720

Full manual:
https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4986839

ORIGINAL: Lobster

I always find it hard to take the word of someone who is a huge fan of something. They tend to go overboard with how great it is. For instance I've seen lots of movies with four out of five stars but when I watch it I'm wondering if they saw the same movie I was watching. Cult classics can fall into that trap. When you have to shell out $72 U.S. it's even harder to want to go for it.

Wonder why there's never a demo for a game that costs that much. [:'(]

One problem may be the people who get paid to review such things. They may have actually never have seen the movie.

ORIGINAL: Zovs

List of differences between WitE 1 and 2:
https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4985720

Full manual:
https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4986839

At first glance, I'm kinda wondering, are those two pages of content worth 100 bucks?

I give as a comparative example. The Squad Leader manual and the 3 modules, vs the ASL rule book. Massive sum of change.

Another example. Third Reich vs A3R. A considerable evolution of the game design. A radical new map, revamped forcepool, lots of design revision.

So for me, the question is "are those 2 pages enough". It looks like WitE2 is a good first timer purchase. But a person owning the original, might need to be quite the fanatic to find that 100 bucks. If they play any other wargames.

ASL players don't mind the costs. They don't tend to play anything else

In my opinion yes it’s worth the cost. I am a retired ASLer and am used (duped) into always buying the next ASL item even if I have version 2 & 1. Lol

So far, I've found very little that can compete with the unplanned chaos of Up Front.

I LIKE the command simulation of Command Ops. I think Steel Panthers becomes more credible with command and control turned on.

I like any wargame that falls apart the moment your HQs are ignored.

I think ASL might have performed better if rather than squad leaders being able to directly influence dice rolls, their units failed to function if those leaders were not present or close enough.

There are of course limitations in games. No smell of death, no lack of sleep, no stress from days of constant fear. No living in a hole in the ground in whatever weather was happening.

It's quite the shock when the regular army isn't like the militia, just something to do on a weekend I'm very much impressed by my country's military. Over used, over extended, under supported and poorly equipped in the field. And yet they just keep on trucking. It isn't the same army of the 70s any more.

ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer

There are of course limitations in games. No smell of death, no lack of sleep, no stress from days of constant fear. No living in a hole in the ground in whatever weather was happening.

From what I read in certain forums, some gamers actually live just like that. [8|]

ORIGINAL: RFalvo69

ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer

There are of course limitations in games. No smell of death, no lack of sleep, no stress from days of constant fear. No living in a hole in the ground in whatever weather was happening.

From what I read in certain forums, some gamers actually live just like that. [8|]

I don't need to read certain forums to know about it [:D]

I have experienced lack of sleep for playing Sid Meier's Civilization when the game was (almost) new (60 Hz monitor is torture to the eyes), for piecing together WH40k models, and most recently for playing Advanced Tactics Gold. If one wants to experience that in a hole in the ground, just take tablet or handheld along and dig the damn thing. Actually playing a board/miniature game in a hole could be preferred with strong wind going, though I don't want to try it.

ORIGINAL: Kuokkanen

ORIGINAL: RFalvo69

ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer

There are of course limitations in games. No smell of death, no lack of sleep, no stress from days of constant fear. No living in a hole in the ground in whatever weather was happening.

From what I read in certain forums, some gamers actually live just like that. [8|]

I don't need to read certain forums to know about it [:D]

I have experienced lack of sleep for playing Sid Meier's Civilization when the game was (almost) new (60 Hz monitor is torture to the eyes), for piecing together WH40k models, and most recently for playing Advanced Tactics Gold. If one wants to experience that in a hole in the ground, just take tablet or handheld along and dig the damn thing. Actually playing a board/miniature game in a hole could be preferred with strong wind going, though I don't want to try it.

Back in the days when Silent Hunter III had been just released, on Subsims' forum there was this guy who played the game strictly 1:1. Eating, WC time and even sleeping were tied to the game. He actually slept with his headphones on, so to be warned if something happened.

IIRC, this went on (if true) for about three months, then the guy went dark. I think he is currently drawing submarines, with rounded crayons, on the walls of a padded room...

Man, THAT is something to be called "hardcore" [X(]

ORIGINAL: Kuokkanen

Man, THAT is something to be called "hardcore" [X(]

"Hardcore" isn't what I would call it.

ORIGINAL: RFalvo69

Back in the days when Silent Hunter III had been just released, on Subsims' forum there was this guy who played the game strictly 1:1. Eating, WC time and even sleeping were tied to the game. He actually slept with his headphones on, so to be warned if something happened.

IIRC, this went on (if true) for about three months, then the guy went dark. I think he is currently drawing submarines, with rounded crayons, on the walls of a padded room...

LOL [:D]

I imagine my leaving room plenty of situation maps when Steel Tigers will be out. My wife will be pleased.
Really hope C2 is well simulated in Steel Tigers with delaying orders.

Come on Erik, give us some news, a screenshot, a bone...

ORIGINAL: Greybriar

ORIGINAL: Kuokkanen

Man, THAT is something to be called "hardcore" [X(]

"Hardcore" isn't what I would call it.

There is a type of clock from Germany that describes people like him every half an hour.