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RE: German 41 1st Wave TOE missing elements

Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2021 11:12 pm
by Great_Ajax
I own the entire Askey set and use it heavily. The Germans are not short changed in manpower. The manpower in those non-combat motorcycle support units is accounted for with support squads in all of the OBs. Turning courier messagers and traffic control motorcycle sections into combat units is not the design intent or we would also have to convert the bakery company into light Rifle squads using that same logic. We will just have to agree to disagree.

Trey
ORIGINAL: DorianGray

FYI - at the opening of Barbarossa, the game lists 1,394 Motorcycle Squads deployed in German units across the Eastern Front.

However, according to Operation Barbarossa [long name] book, Table Total Ger Deployed D-1, pg 74, there were actually 21,046 Motorcycle Squads deployed.

(note - I would copy the table but afraid I would violate some copyright or something....)

OMG!

Noway short changing the German TOEs some 20k squads is trivial or not bound to have an impact.

at even 8-10 men per squad, (lets say 9), that is about 180,000 men.... or about 10 full strength divisions!

The Germans hardly build crap as far as new units through the end of '41. see https://www.operationbarbarossa.net/wp- ... Dec-41.pdf

So missing out on the Motorcycle Squads at the onset is a big deal.

RE: German 41 1st Wave TOE missing elements

Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2021 12:35 am
by 56ajax
And I would like to confirm that the data setup by Great_Ajax (no relation) is accurate as cited by Askey to +/- 10 men ie 1 support squad. I should know as I checked hundreds of entries and the errors i found were minor.

Have you ever held an Askey Vol in 1 hand and checked unit entry via the editor? The items are not in the same order. Talk about cross eyed.

RE: German 41 1st Wave TOE missing elements

Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2021 4:53 am
by Hanny
ORIGINAL: DorianGray

FYI - at the opening of Barbarossa, the game lists 1,394 Motorcycle Squads deployed in German units across the Eastern Front.

However, according to Operation Barbarossa [long name] book, Table Total Ger Deployed D-1, pg 74, there were actually 21,046 Motorcycle Squads deployed.

(note - I would copy the table but afraid I would violate some copyright or something....)

OMG!

Noway short changing the German TOEs some 20k squads is trivial or not bound to have an impact.

at even 8-10 men per squad, (lets say 9), that is about 180,000 men.... or about 10 full strength divisions!

The Germans hardly build crap as far as new units through the end of '41. see https://www.operationbarbarossa.net/wp- ... Dec-41.pdf

So missing out on the Motorcycle Squads at the onset is a big deal.

Its not so much what you have, its how you use it.https://fas.org/irp/doddir/navy/german.pdf