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RE: The Russian Front
Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 2:45 pm
by ncc1701e
This winterized point was already raised indeed. But, I would like also to raise something. With the new shattering rule, I think Russia will benefit a lot.
See you can destroy mechanized corps, armored corps, infantry corps, infantry armies... but if they are not surrounded, they will be back. Much more interesting imo.
As such, with v1.00.11, I am expecting a much stronger defense in USSR.
RE: The Russian Front
Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:36 pm
by canuckgamer
I just looked at patch 100.11 and see that change. When they go back in to the build queue are they cheaper to build back? Thanks.
RE: The Russian Front
Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:56 pm
by canuckgamer
The wording of the change is:
Change units that shatter due to no retreat path go into the build queue if they can trace to a supply source
I would like to further clarify the change since if you can't trace a supply path it usually means your are surrounded by a combination of enemy units and ZOC. So this would only apply to units in supply source such as a City/port but are surrounded? What if you are successful in using air supply for a surrounded unit and it is then shattered in the enemy turn?
RE: The Russian Front
Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 4:05 pm
by ncc1701e
ORIGINAL: canuckgamer
The wording of the change is:
Change units that shatter due to no retreat path go into the build queue if they can trace to a supply source
I would like to further clarify the change since if you can't trace a supply path it usually means your are surrounded by a combination of enemy units and ZOC. So this would only apply to units in supply source such as a City/port but are surrounded? What if you are successful in using air supply for a surrounded unit and it is then shattered in the enemy turn?
The answer is here:
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RE: The Russian Front
Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 4:06 pm
by ncc1701e
From Alvaro:
ORIGINAL: AlvaroSousa
If you shatter because of odds YOU DIE.
If you have NO retreat path, like Malta then YOU DIE.
If you can't connect to a supply source when you retreat YOU DIE.
If you can connect to a supply source, don't have a retreat path because the hexes are filled you shatter back to the queue if you retreat.
Shatter because of odds is due to being overrun and destroyed with a few soldiers running away.
RE: The Russian Front
Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 4:11 pm
by ncc1701e
ORIGINAL: canuckgamer
I just looked at patch 100.11 and see that change. When they go back in to the build queue are they cheaper to build back? Thanks.
Yes this is cheaper. Just imagine an armored corps at tech level 1941. Buying it costs 432PP.
Now, your corps shatters and is back in your deployment queue with a strength of 15/30 and an effectiveness of 10%.
It will just cost you the needed replacements to go back to 30/30 strength and wait a little (or use some supply trucks) to retrieve some effectiveness.
Also, I am unsure of this but the unit experience may be saved in the process.