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ORIGINAL: Gam3r

ORIGINAL: jubjub

Anyway, I don't want to keep crying over spilled milk. I just want to bring some attention to this issue, and the scale on which it can be abused.

Also think that it is highly unrealistic, but thought it will be a good exapmple of this issue.

Ya, glad it is getting the nerf bat for sure.

ORIGINAL: erikbengtsson

Destroyed or surrendered?

I HOPE surrendered

ORIGINAL: erikbengtsson

Destroyed or surrendered?

treated as destroyed, so some portion may arrive back in the pools but not a lot

ORIGINAL: loki100

ORIGINAL: erikbengtsson

Destroyed or surrendered?

treated as destroyed, so some portion may arrive back in the pools but not a lot

Makes the most sense tbh, small units like support units can find gaps in the enemy lines and usually get out. Though they should not have any artillery pieces or heavy weapons with them when they get out.

I may be wrong but Surrender is the same as Shattered or Destroyed no?
With the only difference that if someone Surrenders, there are captured elements - prisoners and equipment.

Isn't that the case?
Given what goes to Soviets early in the war will go to Axis later on so... but I think for Germans the important deal is that they lose the unit (and anyhow get recreated in a bit in the reserves, but at 0 elements)

Can you post a save file from the beginning so I can track progress better.

Thanks ever so much; looking for a great AAR

ORIGINAL: bruceaboyd

Can you post a save file from the beginning so I can track progress better.

Thanks ever so much; looking for a great AAR

This is a server game, so I don't have access to any save files. I also didn't really take many screenshots before march 1st. Is there anything in particular that you want to see/know?

Crimea Placeholder

Salient Update

It looks like the Soviets have abandoned their attempts to rescue the pocket. Another 65k men are taken prisoner.


The eastern salient is being abandoned as well. Apologies for the highly redacted images, I may update for the full view later.

Crimea Air War

No repeat of Luftwaffe's disastrous winter Sevastopol campaign. Luftwaffe 4 catches Western (?) air command off the coast of Crimea without air superiority directives. The Soviet fighters intercept the bombing runs piecemeal, resulting in their complete annihilation.


With the fighter force wiped out, IL-2's take to the skies unescorted with predictable results. At least a third of the on-map air force is destroyed.

This is why I prefer TB unlocked

Here's a prime example of why TB locked is terrible and unhistorical. This unit is set to 'refit in France' after a hard winter. Except it did no fighting in the winter and has 95% TOE and 100 CPP. It's also in a spot that's annoying to replace. If the TB was unlocked I would cancel this transfer in a heartbeat.


I have other units with 65 moral and 20% TOE that I would gladly transfer west, but I can't or they would get stuck there for the rest of the game.

ORIGINAL: jubjub

Crimea Air War
The Soviet fighters intercept the bombing runs piecemeal, resulting in their complete annihilation.

With the fighter force wiped out, IL-2's take to the skies unescorted with predictable results. At least a third of the on-map air force is destroyed.

Super annoying.
All was ordered on ground support, yet they fly interception, then unescorted GS.
This issue must be adressed

ORIGINAL: Gam3r

ORIGINAL: jubjub

Crimea Air War
The Soviet fighters intercept the bombing runs piecemeal, resulting in their complete annihilation.

With the fighter force wiped out, IL-2's take to the skies unescorted with predictable results. At least a third of the on-map air force is destroyed.

Super annoying.
All was ordered on ground support, yet they fly interception, then unescorted GS.
This issue must be adressed

You have the ADs for this Gam3r?

ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

ORIGINAL: Gam3r

ORIGINAL: jubjub

Crimea Air War
The Soviet fighters intercept the bombing runs piecemeal, resulting in their complete annihilation.

With the fighter force wiped out, IL-2's take to the skies unescorted with predictable results. At least a third of the on-map air force is destroyed.

Super annoying.
All was ordered on ground support, yet they fly interception, then unescorted GS.
This issue must be adressed

You have the ADs for this Gam3r?

Yes. Set ground support AD and assign all regiments to it

Sorry, forgot server limits. Particularly interested in detailed Order of Battles. Thanks

ORIGINAL: bruceaboyd

Sorry, forgot server limits. Particularly interested in detailed Order of Battles. Thanks

This is the most detailed OOB I have from March 1st. I'll probably post an update before June.

Reorganization - Turn 43

The state of the German army is currently not the tip top shape it needs to be in to finish the conquest of the Soviet Union. None of the panzer divisions are in the right place for the summer offensive, and currently hold the line while infantry divisions refit. In the chaos, infantry leaders took command of motorized divisions, and Manstein currently mans a corps of infantry. AP's are zeroed out, having just been spent to replace several key leaders, including 11th army, which received the skilled hands of Heinrici. 2nd Army and 2nd Panzer Army took the worst beating by far, and currently have about 10 divisions currently refitting. Unfortunately, the rail to Bryansk is still cut, so they're refitting on a level one super depot.


Overall, the refitting process is going fairly smooth, with 175,000 men making their way to the front this turn.


The pocket is almost cleared, with another 65,000 men captured this turn. Small attacks are carried out against rifle divisions across the southern front to destroy forts, recover moral, and hopefully drain the Soviets of some strength.


Some Motorized Luftwaffe AA battalions are liquidated to free up around 1.5k trucks. Hopefully these go to the divisions that need it, and not the other TB's.


200k Soviets are sent to the reserves, bringing the on map total back under 5 million men.

Weather - Turn 43


April showers and snow melt produced heavy mud that halted operations in the Crimea, and this situation will soon smother the entire eastern front. Unfortunately, this weather will stall out the liquidation of the pocket.

Magyarorszag on the Move


Under pressure from Hitler, Horthy's finest leave the comforts of home to fight and die on the Eastern front. Hopefully they don't start any fights with the Romanians..

Air War

Another week of blowing VVS formations out of the sky off the coast of the Crimea. Unfortunately, I didn't get screen captures of this.


Reformed units

The divisions that were destroyed in the Orel winter offensive are back - nominally. With morale and experience barely higher than that of the Soviet troops, they have many turns before they are ready to contribute to the war effort.