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RE: Bread v Nekronion (41 start)
Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2021 9:33 am
by HardLuckYetAgain
Now, "Thank you" for posting the AAR & looking forward to many more turns of reading to come.
RE: Bread v Nekronion (41 start)
Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2021 10:37 am
by K62_
ORIGINAL: RedJohn
There is only so far you can go with 30 MP. It's quite far, in fairness, but it's not enough I would guess against a "good" soviet player.
The picture below is the same elements encircled. Their movement actually
increased (barring the 2 that weren't encircled) and the G.D Mot. Rgt went from I believe 38 MP the previous turn to the max of 50, as you can see. This was repeated across the front, which led to the encirclement of much of the South-western front and put me within like 6 hexes of Moscow.
The manual talks about this. It usually happens because units with a high supply priority try to draw a lot of supplies and, if far from depots, will use a lot of their own vehicles for freight instead of movement.
A temporary fix is to decrease supply priority on panzer korps that have outrun the supply net. This may give you en extra 1-2 turns of mobility. Eventually fuel dips below 50% and I believe you run into a different set of MP penalties at that point.
RE: Bread v Nekronion (41 start)
Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:29 pm
by RedJohn
Turn 4, the axis advance continues. Dnepr is technically breached, though I'm hoping I can convert the hexes back. Everything in Odessa is trapped, so I'll need to see if I can navally escape with some of the remaining units.
RE: Bread v Nekronion (41 start)
Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:32 pm
by RedJohn
Of course, we have reserves deployed this turn to help shore up defences. A tad too late to set up on the Dnepr, but hey.
RE: Bread v Nekronion (41 start)
Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:34 pm
by RedJohn
I had also deployed to Crimea this turn. Again, though, perhaps a bit late.
RE: Bread v Nekronion (41 start)
Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:38 pm
by RedJohn
Only a single attack around Smolensk area, the 12th PzD taking Vitebsk. Do I retreat? Do I hold? It's a toughie for me. I'll decide what to do here later.
The attack on the PzD there was just me using an airborne brigade to try and scout it's fuel. I would assume after 2~ turns of rest they're nearly full up, but it showed as orange - possibly just bad soviet recon.
RE: Bread v Nekronion (41 start)
Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:44 pm
by RedJohn
To the North, Pskov is taken and our troops just fortify their positions. I do see the opportunity to encircle a very deep motorised unit. It's tempting to try and hold it.
RE: Bread v Nekronion (41 start)
Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:46 pm
by Rosencrantus
ORIGINAL: RedJohn
So against the few German players that can work the logistic system efficiently and consistently, I'd agree - 3m men won't really stop them. But for many others, like myself, who struggle with such things, 3m men on the map as the Soviets is when hard-to-break-walls start being formed.
Anyway, back to the AAR I set up my defensive lines and I'll just post them as is (whenever the next turn is handed back). I don't know if Nekronion even reads the forums, but it's been a rather boring AAR I think as I've purposely hidden the positions of all my troops after movement. Fun!
I enjoy the Soviets being at around 3m, they are usually a lot more willing to stand their ground and I'm usually able to inflict more losses on them as a result. Keeping units in supply is usually easy enough where any line can be broken due to just how high quality your infantry units are as long as you rest them sufficiently in an assault army and how slowly the soviets build forts in 1941.
RE: Bread v Nekronion (41 start)
Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:58 pm
by RedJohn
ORIGINAL: Rosencrantus
ORIGINAL: RedJohn
So against the few German players that can work the logistic system efficiently and consistently, I'd agree - 3m men won't really stop them. But for many others, like myself, who struggle with such things, 3m men on the map as the Soviets is when hard-to-break-walls start being formed.
Anyway, back to the AAR I set up my defensive lines and I'll just post them as is (whenever the next turn is handed back). I don't know if Nekronion even reads the forums, but it's been a rather boring AAR I think as I've purposely hidden the positions of all my troops after movement. Fun!
I enjoy the Soviets being at around 3m, they are usually a lot more willing to stand their ground and I'm usually able to inflict more losses on them as a result. Keeping units in supply is usually easy enough where any line can be broken due to just how high quality your infantry units are as long as you rest them sufficiently in an assault army and how slowly the soviets build forts in 1941.
It depends on a number of things of course, but in my experience the willingness to hold their ground is because they can afford to. Defence in depth becomes more readily available across the front, and you'll struggle to make any meaningful breakthrough that they can't immediately cover by shifting troops.
I have split the Soviet armored/mech forces between the Centre and South. I have high expectations for these units to ruin German AFVs.
RE: Bread v Nekronion (41 start)
Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 9:04 pm
by RedJohn
And the other part of our forces. Woe to any German panzer that meets this wall of steel.
RE: Bread v Nekronion (41 start)
Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 9:19 pm
by RedJohn
We abandon the Northern half of the Dnepr to axis forces. We'll keep forces in the southern part of it to reduce the risk of an envelopment of the southwestern front, but that's it.
RE: Bread v Nekronion (41 start)
Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 9:21 pm
by RedJohn
And finally the Northern defences, with a line at Narva. Talinn still holds for now, after 2 failed axis assaults.
RE: Bread v Nekronion (41 start)
Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 9:32 pm
by HardLuckYetAgain
ORIGINAL: RedJohn
And finally the Northern defences, with a line at Narva. Talinn still holds for now, after 2 failed axis assaults.
I believe the German 20 Motorized Division believes it was on a Sunday drive or something, lol
RE: Bread v Nekronion (41 start)
Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 9:37 pm
by RedJohn
ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain
ORIGINAL: RedJohn
And finally the Northern defences, with a line at Narva. Talinn still holds for now, after 2 failed axis assaults.
I believe the German 20 Motorized Division believes it was on a Sunday drive or something, lol
It might as well have been, we have next to no capacity for counterattacks in the North. [&:]
RE: Bread v Nekronion (41 start)
Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2021 10:37 am
by RedJohn
The Dnepr is thoroughly broken this time, at least in the South. I might lose a mountaineer here which hurts.
RE: Bread v Nekronion (41 start)
Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2021 10:41 am
by RedJohn
A worrying lack of progress in the Centre. Could he really have diverted practically everything bar a corps from here? Smolensk holds from a Panzer assault.
Also, mud!
RE: Bread v Nekronion (41 start)
Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2021 10:43 am
by RedJohn
Velikie Luki falls, barely, to a Pz rgmt and mot units. Annoying, and partly my fault due to not assigning proper HQs, but it's a small loss.
RE: Bread v Nekronion (41 start)
Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2021 1:28 pm
by RedJohn
Also a neat picture of the strongest unit in the Red Army, our beautiful 15 CV Mot Div.
RE: Bread v Nekronion (41 start)
Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2021 1:41 pm
by RedJohn
OOB looking mighty fine.
RE: Bread v Nekronion (41 start)
Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2021 2:41 pm
by RedJohn
South, turn 6. Crimean entrances hold still.
