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correct, drop tanks were not normally used on the Eastern Front since air bases were positioned close to the front lines.

So it is written, "No more Drop Tanks" so I will just play without them.


I guess next is Germans need more metal for can food goods and thus the "potato masher" will no longer be used for ground combat ;-P

"The LW had limited production facilities for the drop tanks and their needs in other theaters trumped the Eastern Front. This is the reason they were rarely used in the Eastern Front - air bases were usually quite near the front line and LW flew very few escorted missions beyond the front line so they did not feel the need for drop tanks."

I will assume this is true. It makes sense but again should the player not make that decision? As for fuel consumption it is increased when drop tank tanks are used.

From a personal perspective I did not use the drop tanks (after turn 01) so it will not effect the way I play.

As far as I can tell this change in drop tank use after June 41 isn't even working.

I've just quickly played some H2H turns in the 1941 Campaign till the end of July and my Bf 109E-7/F-2's are still using the 300L Drop Tank. I checked in the editor and both the 1941 Campaign Scenario data and the generic data for the E-7 and F-2 has been changed but for some reason I can still use the drop tanks in July 1941.

ORIGINAL: Teo41_ITA

ORIGINAL: Aurelian

ORIGINAL: GibsonPete

"But rarely does not mean never. I don't get the point of removing them." Teo41_ITA makes a valid point. Should not the player decide which tools they will use. Drop tanks IMO are not an exploit. Denniss please reconsider the decision.

Rarely doesn't mean all the time either. Which is what players will do, use them so much that rarely has no meaning.

They could just increase fuel consumption per each sortie, forcing the player to think twice before adding drop tanks in each fighter wing every turn. Is this so complicated to code?

Why code something that was *rarely* used? Might as well code in the Soviet Sapper Armies and the Strategic Directions.

ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

So it is written, "No more Drop Tanks" so I will just play without them.


I guess next is Germans need more metal for can food goods and thus the "potato masher" will no longer be used for ground combat ;-P

They could recycle the cans into those grenades. Dual use cans.

I looked at a save of a recent game and in June 41 I could use the drop tanks on the 109, but in July 41 it was listed as an expired loadout and I could not select it. How exactly are you using the drop tank after June 41? Can you attach a save. I don't know if this date changed recently, but if it did and your game started before the data change, then it would not include the data change.

ORIGINAL: Joel Billings

I looked at a save of a recent game and in June 41 I could use the drop tanks on the 109, but in July 41 it was listed as an expired loadout and I could not select it. How exactly are you using the drop tank after June 41? Can you attach a save. I don't know if this date changed recently, but if it did and your game started before the data change, then it would not include the data change.

I bet the update was done in the middle of turn that already started. I bet it would need the end phase to update the info to not use. But if he did multiple turns then this guess is off the table. I am guessing he is talking about multiple games.

I have experience this update the same with my current game after the update where the German airbases are to have a 70ish experience but they do not if I fly to a new airbase in Russia. I bet at the end phase this will be changed. Again just a guess.

All data changes (like load out data) only changes when you start a new game.

As for the airbase experience problem, it is set the moment the airbase is captured. So for airbases already captured, they will be at the low experience level. Any new airbase captured once you use the update will have higher experience levels.

ORIGINAL: Joel Billings

I looked at a save of a recent game and in June 41 I could use the drop tanks on the 109, but in July 41 it was listed as an expired loadout and I could not select it. How exactly are you using the drop tank after June 41? Can you attach a save. I don't know if this date changed recently, but if it did and your game started before the data change, then it would not include the data change.

I started the game after the drop tank change with the express purpose of testing the change.

The forum will not allow me to upload the save. I tried in .zip format and .rar format and I can't upload it.

Double post.

I get the error message

"C:\fakepath\Fuel Tank Test.zip is not supported"

when trying to upload the save.

@ Joel.

I have uploaded the save to the FTP Beta Server. It is in the Bug Saves folder and is called FuelTankTest.zip.

Bf 109E-7 drop tanks 20th July 41

Bf 109F-2 drop tanks 20th July 41