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ORIGINAL: Centuur

You don't need to cheat, you need to grasp the logic of the forms. And that is the challenge you are facing.

ORIGINAL: Mayhemizer_slith

Since there is ”set dice roll” option I have been hoping ”set BPs” option too… would be nice to fix things just adding few BPs.

ORIGINAL: Centuur

I agree that production planning is the most difficult part of the game to get right. I also "cheated" in the past if I would not get a build point when I was sure I should get it (using beta testers debug tools, one can create build points).

But somehow, I got it to work. It takes a lot of time and effort. I can get optimal production at any time in the game now. You don't need to cheat, you need to grasp the logic of the forms. And that is the challenge you are facing.

I've stated sometime ago that, provided one enters a gamesave here at the start of preliminary production phase of a non-modded game, I can give instructions on how to get to maximum production.

Thing is: it's the human mind which messes thing up for us, not the computer...

So there is no reason to make any patch.

ORIGINAL: craigbear

What is the "unofficial" set BPs feature?... the only way I know is to add BPs to already existing saved ones. As well, beta-testers can also access some magic for editing... is there another way?

I like your example... I won't test it as I am running into similar issues.

ORIGINAL: rkr1958

Attached is the game file for anyone wishing to look at or take on this challenge.

However, personally instead of wasting hours on end trying to get this to work, which I don't know if I could ever get it to work, I'll use the "unofficial" set BPs feature which I've discovered through the magic of editing.

By the way, it's exactly stuff like this that's driven off most of the very large and enthusiastic fan base we had here 10 to 15 years ago. This makes me very sad because MWiF is a very good game but could have been a great game enjoyed by a large number of folks except for issues such as this. [:(]

Rant over and sorry if I offended anyone. [&o]

ORIGINAL: Centuur
To get things right, I need a gamesave at the start of the preliminary production phase.
I've never been able to get things right during a naval movement phase...

ORIGINAL: gw15

Agree, never try to optimize production during any phase except preliminary production.

ORIGINAL: rkr1958

ORIGINAL: Centuur
To get things right, I need a gamesave at the start of the preliminary production phase.
I've never been able to get things right during a naval movement phase...

ORIGINAL: gw15

Agree, never try to optimize production during any phase except preliminary production.

Thanks guys. I'll provide you one at that time. It's only impulse 2 of the JA42 turn so it'll be a while.

The only issue that I have with waiting to preliminary production to "optimize" production is that it's too late to add convoys if I need them. I understand I can subtract convoys being that this phase occurs before RTB. Though, I have been biten before by MWiF when I've returned to base "unused" CPs only to see different and less efficient routes then taken by MWiF.

Maybe I play this wrong but when I take a full naval as the allies (e.g., CW or USA) I like to set my convoy lines that maximizes my production (and limited oversea supply). I also at this time tend to return to base excess CPs in sea areas at risk of attack. I don't want to risk more CPs than I have to. In summary, for me the appropriate time to set your convoy lines and production is during a naval when you have the ability to add or subtract CPs. Though, often times after I've got things working like I want my opponent will come along and thoroughly mess everything up. How evil is that!

ORIGINAL: paulderynck

ORIGINAL: rkr1958

ORIGINAL: Centuur
To get things right, I need a gamesave at the start of the preliminary production phase.
I've never been able to get things right during a naval movement phase...

ORIGINAL: gw15

Agree, never try to optimize production during any phase except preliminary production.

Thanks guys. I'll provide you one at that time. It's only impulse 2 of the JA42 turn so it'll be a while.

The only issue that I have with waiting to preliminary production to "optimize" production is that it's too late to add convoys if I need them. I understand I can subtract convoys being that this phase occurs before RTB. Though, I have been biten before by MWiF when I've returned to base "unused" CPs only to see different and less efficient routes then taken by MWiF.

Maybe I play this wrong but when I take a full naval as the allies (e.g., CW or USA) I like to set my convoy lines that maximizes my production (and limited oversea supply). I also at this time tend to return to base excess CPs in sea areas at risk of attack. I don't want to risk more CPs than I have to. In summary, for me the appropriate time to set your convoy lines and production is during a naval when you have the ability to add or subtract CPs. Though, often times after I've got things working like I want my opponent will come along and thoroughly mess everything up. How evil is that!

I do it like I play the game. I already know how many CPs I want in each sea area so I put them there as long as I can. If it is MWiF, then they go on Sentry and stay that way and this is double-checked at the end of the return-to-base phase. If the enemy blows some away or aborts them, then I make a new plan and if impulse and action choice permit, I sail out CPs to patch things up.

So then when it comes to Preliminary Production, that's when I try to get MWiF to obey. I used to do this in Final Production, but as others have stated, things would not work correctly when done then.

Doing all the planning during a naval move is fine, but don't waste time trying to do production in the game at that time, besides you can't plan for what the bad guys and fate might do to your CP lines anyway.

I'm not saying it is the case here, but I have seen complaints saying the convoy lines are not working right but it turns out there is a CP bottleneck somewhere, especially when French and CW CP lines are shared. To aid in convoy planning (not just in MWiF, but also in the board game). I printed out copies of the global map on which to note the number of convoys needed in sea areas and note where CPs get on and get off of the pipelines.

ORIGINAL: craigbear

Thanks rk958. Don't know how I missed that.

ORIGINAL: craigbear

I am guessing the persian oil on the coast is getting priority... put those two on idle (use for reorg), and that may solve the issue.

This has happened to me... I have not downloaded the file and could be very wrong.

ORIGINAL: Centuur

No, it doesn't make sense. But that's only important in those cases when there is no maximum production for all major powers on a side. And if I check your gamesave, it looks like that all allied major powers do have maximum production...

A computerprogram never makes sense.... [:D]