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RE: Over Toe units?

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2022 5:00 pm
by ToxicThug11
Thank you Stamb.
Very cool!

RE: Over Toe units?

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2022 6:11 pm
by Joel Billings
Please do send the saves as I'd like to take a look at it. Hopefully you have prelog saves from the German turn before the Soviet logistics where they went over TOE. What you are showing though, could all be WAD. The Guards Rifle OB is smaller than several of the Rifle Div OBs, so they can be oversized when they first change OBs. Same for Rifle Divisions that change from the 41a to the 41b OB.

As for the Axis attacking AI issue (leaving gaps in it's line), Gary worked on that yesterday and says he made progress improving it.

RE: Over Toe units?

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2022 6:20 pm
by Stamb
ORIGINAL: Joel Billings

Please do send the saves as I'd like to take a look at it. Hopefully you have prelog saves from the German turn before the Soviet logistics where they went over TOE. What you are showing though, could all be WAD. The Guards Rifle OB is smaller than several of the Rifle Div OBs, so they can be oversized when they first change OBs. Same for Rifle Divisions that change from the 41a to the 41b OB.

I do not know exactly at which point they went over TOE, so I will attach all saves. And I have all prelog saves.
Link:
https://ufile.io/08uj9yq0
ORIGINAL: Joel Billings
As for the Axis attacking AI issue (leaving gaps in it's line), Gary worked on that yesterday and says he made progress improving it.
Awesome [&o]

RE: Over Toe units?

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2022 6:23 pm
by Stamb
Rifle divisions are changing TOE pretty often, so it might be WAD indeed. What Soviet players have in their long run GC, is it possible to go over 100 TOE when there is no frequent TOE upgrades?

RE: Over Toe units?

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2022 6:40 pm
by Jango32
Doesn't explain why tank divisions go significantly over TOE by turn 3 though.

RE: Over Toe units?

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2022 6:51 pm
by Stamb
Agree. I have saves with rifle divisions only.

RE: Over Toe units?

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2022 8:50 pm
by Joel Billings
The early tank divisions have a huge OB. I think what that player does is disband enough units so that a few he puts into refit at a depot can fill up to 100% and become huge. These will then downgrade to the smaller Tank division OB and be way overstrength. As for the 13th and 17th TDs, they arrive on turn 1 overstrength in tanks and have been set up that way. I can't explain though for sure how it went from 472 AFVs to 599 in the turn 3 screenshot. These units are stuffed with light tanks but are missing heavy and flame tanks (and mediums, but others can sub for them). They may be able to get replacements for their missing tanks without giving up all the excess light tanks. In fact, that's probably how it's happening.