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Re: I took the plunge, looks really interesting

Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2022 6:21 am
by ncc1701e
There are two problems imo:

First one, the projection of UK Allies (Australia, New Zealand) in Celebes and in Solomons.

1. UK transport pool at 40 at game start is indeed allowing the Allies player to send plenty of low strength units to the Celebes and to the Solomons. I would reduce the UK transport pool to 0 or to 10 (for sending UK troops to India) and bring 30 transports in the Deployment queue.

2. As suggested by sveint, I would introduced this supply rule:

Celebes - The Allies player may not draw supply to any port in the Celebes, namely Manando, Makassar, Ambon, Sorong, Weda and Dili, if Japan control Jayapura or Lae.
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Re: I took the plunge, looks really interesting

Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2022 6:41 am
by ncc1701e
Second one, I don't know if this is a problem or if this is intended or not. To really block all the Philippines, including the corps unit in Davao, Japan needs to use 12 ships.

Otherwise, if the ports of Cebu and Baybay are not blocked by three ships, the corps in Davao can go directly to Batavia and then blocked Japan for few turns since Batavia is a Main Supply source (no port blockade).
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As such, all the Japanese navy is really occupied on the first turn which is perhaps the intent to not send them elsewhere.

Also, why this corps in Davao is at 106% effectiveness?
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Re: I took the plunge, looks really interesting

Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2022 4:53 pm
by sveint
Very good info, but I'm not sure it's the right thread

Re: I took the plunge, looks really interesting

Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2022 5:29 pm
by ncc1701e
Yes, right, will do dedicated threads.

Re: I took the plunge, looks really interesting

Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2022 11:06 pm
by Remington700
Wow - this is a problem. IMO Philippine units should stay in the Philippines.

Thanks for posting the screenshot - I am not sure what to think about the forward deployment of Aussie units. I am guessing you need more than 18 oil points per turn to counter this.

Re: I took the plunge, looks really interesting

Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2022 11:11 am
by ncc1701e
Remington700 wrote: Tue Mar 29, 2022 11:06 pm Wow - this is a problem. IMO Philippine units should stay in the Philippines.

Thanks for posting the screenshot - I am not sure what to think about the forward deployment of Aussie units. I am guessing you need more than 18 oil points per turn to counter this.
Philippines is not a problem if you are performing a correct blockade on turn one.
Hint: don't overextended yourself in the Solomons on turn one. Philippines needs a proper attention to be destroyed first.

Re: I took the plunge, looks really interesting

Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2022 3:05 pm
by Remington700
Playing Japan, I have been taking Aparri and Legaspi on turn 1, plus blockading Lingayen and Manila. Seems to be working ok. However I probably do not move fast enough to finish off the Philippines.

Playing the allies, it is the Mindanao Force in Davao I never know what to do with. But I restrict its movement to the Philippines as using it elsewhere is a little too ahistorical for the way I play.
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Re: I took the plunge, looks really interesting

Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2022 3:53 pm
by ncc1701e
Remington700 wrote: Sat Apr 02, 2022 3:05 pm Playing Japan, I have been taking Aparri and Legaspi on turn 1, plus blockading Lingayen and Manila. Seems to be working ok. However I probably do not move fast enough to finish off the Philippines.

Playing the allies, it is the Mindanao Force in Davao I never know what to do with. But I restrict its movement to the Philippines as using it elsewhere is a little too ahistorical for the way I play.
I think this is the point. You are doing a port blockade of Lingayen and Manila. Why are you not doing the same thing in Davao i.e. no port blockade?

I think we should not complain about the Philippines corps going elsewhere if we are not blocking it.
The purpose is also to slow down the Japanese expansion on turn one, more historical. 8-)

Re: I took the plunge, looks really interesting

Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2022 6:01 pm
by Remington700
ncc1701e wrote: Sat Apr 02, 2022 3:53 pm
Why are you not doing the same thing in Davao i.e. no port blockade?
Because the unit can pull supply from Cebu and Baybay. A commitment of nine additional ships to blockade three ports to block a unit that IMO should only be able to transport to ports in the Philippines, seems excessive. Its really a historical thing for me, but also seems to mess with game balance. I am not sure Japan needs to be slowed down much more. From what I have seen posted, the allies can do a lot with the 80 transports at start.
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Re: I took the plunge, looks really interesting

Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2022 6:17 pm
by ncc1701e
Remington700 wrote: Sat Apr 02, 2022 6:01 pm
ncc1701e wrote: Sat Apr 02, 2022 3:53 pm
Why are you not doing the same thing in Davao i.e. no port blockade?
Because the unit can pull supply from Cebu and Baybay. A commitment of nine additional ships to blockade three ports to block a unit that IMO should only be able to transport to ports in the Philippines, seems excessive.
There is another solution and less costly. Solution is here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippin ... 80%931942)

Re: I took the plunge, looks really interesting

Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2022 6:25 pm
by Remington700
Good point. Invade. It would be historical.

Re: I took the plunge, looks really interesting

Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2022 6:29 pm
by ncc1701e
Remington700 wrote: Sat Apr 02, 2022 6:25 pm Good point. Invade. It would be historical.
You have it. :D

Re: I took the plunge, looks really interesting

Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2022 8:31 pm
by ncc1701e
Remington700 wrote: Sat Apr 02, 2022 6:01 pm I am not sure Japan needs to be slowed down much more. From what I have seen posted, the allies can do a lot with the 80 transports at start.
Don't worry, this will be fixed. I think this is the last balance problem of this game.
https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/view ... 3#p4982673

Other than that, it is now very difficult to invade India, Australia but, if you do a mistake, yes it is still a risk. In two PBEMs, we are following the historical path. In a third one, I made a big mistake and Ceylon is invaded. But, with the new Royal Navy OOB, we have still intense naval battles in the Indian Ocean.

This game is so good. I like it.

Re: I took the plunge, looks really interesting

Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2022 3:04 am
by generalfdog
ncc1701e wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 11:50 am
generalfdog wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 3:55 am had this happen to me once but I learned from it and stopped it next time.
Could you share your method please?
I take these three units to these objectives plus return Pearl strike force to Truk so they can respond to any incursions in Rabaul region
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Re: I took the plunge, looks really interesting

Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2022 2:35 pm
by ncc1701e
generalfdog wrote: Sun Apr 03, 2022 3:04 am
ncc1701e wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 11:50 am
generalfdog wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 3:55 am had this happen to me once but I learned from it and stopped it next time.
Could you share your method please?
I take these three units to these objectives plus return Pearl strike force to Truk so they can respond to any incursions in
Thanks, this is for the Solomons. I was wondering if you had also a method to counter the Celebes move.