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PaxMondo wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2024 5:33 pm

MKmark wrote: Mon Nov 18, 2024 5:33 pm
you can put 24 planes if you want. or 36. go.

???

not sure I understand.

PaxMondo wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2024 4:08 am Well, yeah. But would you waste a CVE as an xAK? Maybe the allies can afford that, but I know I never would ever consider it. I mean I'm pretty sure when you overload the CVE with AC they unload damaged and you have to wait those turns for them to repair, right?

BBfanboy wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2024 7:59 am

PaxMondo wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2024 4:08 am Well, yeah. But would you waste a CVE as an xAK? Maybe the allies can afford that, but I know I never would ever consider it. I mean I'm pretty sure when you overload the CVE with AC they unload damaged and you have to wait those turns for them to repair, right?

No, the aircraft are fully assembled and ready to go once they are landed. You can take 2X the carrier complement and you can have multiple air units (which you cannot do on an xAK or even an AKV). Some of the CVEs coming out of Portland or Seattle already have 2X aircraft loaded as they are intended as replenishment aircraft for the carrier fleet.

RangerJoe wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2024 12:55 pm

BBfanboy wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2024 7:59 am

PaxMondo wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2024 4:08 am Well, yeah. But would you waste a CVE as an xAK? Maybe the allies can afford that, but I know I never would ever consider it. I mean I'm pretty sure when you overload the CVE with AC they unload damaged and you have to wait those turns for them to repair, right?

No, the aircraft are fully assembled and ready to go once they are landed. You can take 2X the carrier complement and you can have multiple air units (which you cannot do on an xAK or even an AKV). Some of the CVEs coming out of Portland or Seattle already have 2X aircraft loaded as they are intended as replenishment aircraft for the carrier fleet.

The best part of using the CVE to transport aircraft is that they can take off and land at a land base. That way they can get to a land base in a contested area without risking the ships carrying the air unit. If the aircraft is carrier capable, then the air unit can fly to another carrier which includes the replenishment groups flying replacement aircraft.

The best use (in my opinion) for the Long Island is to carry US Naval Infantry (US Marine) air units so they can fly to a base without risking any ships more than is necessary. This includes the first Corsair which is not carrier capable. Of course, the Long Island could also fly US Army, US Navy, and Allied air units as well. The second best and probably the more common use (in my opinion) is to fly smaller air units for convoy ASW and a small CAP against Glens. These air units would also be undergoing training to become carrier trained.

PaxMondo wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2024 2:14 pm

RangerJoe wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2024 12:55 pm

BBfanboy wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2024 7:59 am
No, the aircraft are fully assembled and ready to go once they are landed. You can take 2X the carrier complement and you can have multiple air units (which you cannot do on an xAK or even an AKV). Some of the CVEs coming out of Portland or Seattle already have 2X aircraft loaded as they are intended as replenishment aircraft for the carrier fleet.

The best part of using the CVE to transport aircraft is that they can take off and land at a land base. That way they can get to a land base in a contested area without risking the ships carrying the air unit. If the aircraft is carrier capable, then the air unit can fly to another carrier which includes the replenishment groups flying replacement aircraft.

The best use (in my opinion) for the Long Island is to carry US Naval Infantry (US Marine) air units so they can fly to a base without risking any ships more than is necessary. This includes the first Corsair which is not carrier capable. Of course, the Long Island could also fly US Army, US Navy, and Allied air units as well. The second best and probably the more common use (in my opinion) is to fly smaller air units for convoy ASW and a small CAP against Glens. These air units would also be undergoing training to become carrier trained.

So this appears to be an allied CVE feature. As IJ, if I attempt to fly more than the CVE AC limit I get this message:

Warning Screenshot.jpg

and if I follow through, only 5 additional AC will load. Now, maybe it is because of the version I am running, 1108r9, but I don't think so.

version Screenshot.jpg

If I disband the CVE into port, I can then overload it, but the AC added are all damaged.

So, you sneaky allies have ANOTHER advantage over the poor IJ ....

RangerJoe wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2024 2:57 pm

PaxMondo wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2024 2:14 pm

RangerJoe wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2024 12:55 pm

The best part of using the CVE to transport aircraft is that they can take off and land at a land base. That way they can get to a land base in a contested area without risking the ships carrying the air unit. If the aircraft is carrier capable, then the air unit can fly to another carrier which includes the replenishment groups flying replacement aircraft.

The best use (in my opinion) for the Long Island is to carry US Naval Infantry (US Marine) air units so they can fly to a base without risking any ships more than is necessary. This includes the first Corsair which is not carrier capable. Of course, the Long Island could also fly US Army, US Navy, and Allied air units as well. The second best and probably the more common use (in my opinion) is to fly smaller air units for convoy ASW and a small CAP against Glens. These air units would also be undergoing training to become carrier trained.

So this appears to be an allied CVE feature. As IJ, if I attempt to fly more than the CVE AC limit I get this message:

Warning Screenshot.jpg

and if I follow through, only 5 additional AC will load. Now, maybe it is because of the version I am running, 1108r9, but I don't think so.

version Screenshot.jpg

If I disband the CVE into port, I can then overload it, but the AC added are all damaged.

So, you sneaky allies have ANOTHER advantage over the poor IJ ....

Don't fly them to the aircraft carrier, you have to load them either to a docked carrier in a task force or load them onto the disbanded carrier in a base.

PaxMondo wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2024 4:02 pm

RangerJoe wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2024 2:57 pm

PaxMondo wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2024 2:14 pm
So this appears to be an allied CVE feature. As IJ, if I attempt to fly more than the CVE AC limit I get this message:

Warning Screenshot.jpg

and if I follow through, only 5 additional AC will load. Now, maybe it is because of the version I am running, 1108r9, but I don't think so.

version Screenshot.jpg

If I disband the CVE into port, I can then overload it, but the AC added are all damaged.

So, you sneaky allies have ANOTHER advantage over the poor IJ ....

Don't fly them to the aircraft carrier, you have to load them either to a docked carrier in a task force or load them onto the disbanded carrier in a base.

As noted above, disbanded, they will load damaged. Docked, same result. Can't overload IJ CVE's ...

Dirty, cheating allies!!! Always taking advantage of poor, defenseless IJ!!!


EDIT
So, I just tried with allies, and also cannot do it. Must be my version, but surprised because 1108r9 should be the same as the last (good old) version.

RangerJoe wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2024 10:32 pm On an aircraft carrier, those "damaged" aircraft can be repaired . . .

PaxMondo wrote: Fri Nov 22, 2024 1:19 am

RangerJoe wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2024 10:32 pm On an aircraft carrier, those "damaged" aircraft can be repaired . . .

So, I am doing it correctly? Ok. That helps a TON!! Thank you!!!

So, as long as your trip is 5 days or so and the planes are SR1, they will be repaired when you arrive. But, as the IJ with all of our mid and late war SR3, SR4, and SR5 planes, you would have to sail around for a month or more to repair all of them. So, again, you evil allies and your tricky tricks that the poor benighted IJ cannot use!!!

so unfair!