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ORIGINAL: Skotty702

I PBEM like a madman...

Routed my FJ from Ortona, he did... [:@]
...and now he's cleaning out the Italians from the desert.
Ouch 15mm BESA! [X(] [;)]

Dont want to start a bunch of controversy here. But im confused about this. Rich if you havent even played the mc in question how do you know it isnt finished. Is there something wrong with the way it plays. Im sorry i dont have it yet so i dont know. Im on a very limited income so am unable to purchase it at this time or back when it came out.

All I know is without Matrix, I would not be playing any Steel Panthers at all, as none of the DOS versions (sp3, spww2, spmbt) work on my XP computer.
in fact when I tried spww2, it damn near crashed my video card!!!
Thanks for SPWAW matrix.

ORIGINAL: rich12545

ORIGINAL: M4Jess

M4 Jess reporting in...

Oh please! [>:]
rich12545 I am soooo sick of your BS..at first I was on your side..then you became a "Oh-well" kind of thought, with a touch of "he has a point" but of late..I think you are a child and in need of some Prosaic, what the hell is your obsession? Hell even I have a life outside all of this..but IMO you are a trouble maker and a real life sissy..I would have banned you tonight if I had the power. And Rune Iversen, I dont know know you and have not read many of your post, But I really hope you are not on rich12545 side....[>:]as far as Skotty702, would you please tell us more?

You're sick of it?
Oh, well.
What I'm sick of is an unfinished game, promises of the game being finished, no progress reports for two years and a totally uncaring attitude from Brent Richards. So we're even. We're both sick of something.
Getting the game finished isn't an obsession. It's been an ongoing inquiry for almost two years. It comes up every so often, right after Brent had promised an update and then didn't deliver.
Here's the obsession. It's his attitude. The game isn't finished. We paid for it. And he doesn't give a sh*t.
The game won't be finished (barring a miracle). That's done. But Brent's "Screw the mclv buying public" attitude still galls me.
And if you don't like that then all I can say is "tough."

Let me as President of Matrix make this very clear. It is my view that after talking to Brent there is NOTHING wrong with Lost Victories. Its works and plays fine.... Brent was considering and if anything was dum enough to post the fact that he wanted to add a few documents to the Lost Victories Mega Campaign. In his words a "Director's Cut" as one now sees for films. It did not and will not be happening. This is the end of the story. Rich12545 is the end of the story. I see nothing wrong with Brent attitude and I find many post from gamers in love with Lost Victories.

David

ORIGINAL: Grenadier
Regarding Directors Cuts. In the film world, we waited nearly 22 years before Robert Wise did the version of Star Trek, the Motion Picture he originally wanted to do and it took 12 years for Wolfgang Peterson to do his directors cut of Das Boot and 8 years for James cameron to redo Terminator 2. I promise I will not take that long[:)]

Thank you for the clarification of what Brent posted earlier, David. I am glad the matter seems settled now.



Goblin

ORIGINAL: robot

Dont want to start a bunch of controversy here. But im confused about this. Rich if you havent even played the mc in question how do you know it isnt finished. Is there something wrong with the way it plays. Im sorry i dont have it yet so i dont know. Im on a very limited income so am unable to purchase it at this time or back when it came out.

The reason I have been saying it isn't finished is because Brent has repeatedly said so. Three times he has promised he would come up with a final update by a certain time. It is only in the last few days the term "director's cut" has been introduced to soft soap the thing.

David, anybody who promises an update by a certain time and not only doesn't produce three times but doesn't even post about it has an attitude problem. If it's not going to be done then fine, all he has to do is say so and that's the end of it. The game is 99.999% done. It is playable without any bugs. All that's missing is a little historical data at the end. No problem. But his attitude tells me he doesn't give a sh*t about those who bought the game. And that's the way it is.

Now that you've said the update won't be done I can forget about it. This thing takes up way too much of my time anyway.

ORIGINAL: Skotty702

...flippant disregard of the customer. I KNOW SPWAW is FREE...

How does one manage to become a "customer" of a free product? Matrix-bashing is the rankest example of ingratitude I've seen in a long time.

ORIGINAL: Warrior

ORIGINAL: Skotty702

...flippant disregard of the customer. I KNOW SPWAW is FREE...

How does one manage to become a "customer" of a free product? Matrix-bashing is the rankest example of ingratitude I've seen in a long time.

OTOH, some complaints are directed towards "paid" products, such as the MC's (rich as an example, be his reasoning good or not). I realize you weren't being technical, but Matrix doesn't make just free products. Don't look at all complainers, as one might be wont to do, as somebody who complains about free products, as it's easy enough, for some reason, to link anything SPWAW, or anything Matrix with 'free', whereas it isn't necessarily.[:)]

Well,....Just my side of it, I've played from SP1 and on up...for many years...I have all the MC's, patches,....updates, and so on.
I thank all who have made the SPWAW game. I love to play it , some solo,...some on our LAN against each other. I wish I was able to do the number punching, graphic designing, prgramming stuff,media/music input,...and all the stuff I forgot.

I guess....thank you Matrix, volunteers, and the families who have lost time with the people who help this game to be here and improving. I have had many hours of fun and relaxation with it....and will continue to do so....
Just my thoughts...
Take care,
Huffy

ORIGINAL: wulfir

ORIGINAL: Skotty702

I PBEM like a madman...

Routed my FJ from Ortona, he did... [:@]
...and now he's cleaning out the Italians from the desert.
Ouch 15mm BESA! [X(] [;)]

mhh.. sounds interesting.

skotty: i´m at the blitz also.
we can play a game ! only H2H !

to the others babbling around: don´t talk, FIGHT [:@]

Yeah, what did talking ever solve!? [:D]

How 'bout a small scale battle, Frank?

H2H
French North Africa - December 1942,
You the invading American gangsters, me the valiant French. [;)]


And the French nevah surrenduh! [8D]

ORIGINAL: wulfir

Yeah, what did talking ever solve!? [:D]

How 'bout a small scale battle, Frank?

H2H
French North Africa - December 1942,
You the invading American gangsters, me the valiant French. [;)]


And the French nevah surrenduh! [8D]

hi

mhhh...sound snot historic .

when did the americans arrive in north africa ?

but okay, we can play the game you said.

which slot do you want,points etc ?

ORIGINAL: Charles_22

ORIGINAL: Warrior

ORIGINAL: Skotty702

...flippant disregard of the customer. I KNOW SPWAW is FREE...

How does one manage to become a "customer" of a free product? Matrix-bashing is the rankest example of ingratitude I've seen in a long time.

OTOH, some complaints are directed towards "paid" products, such as the MC's (rich as an example, be his reasoning good or not). I realize you weren't being technical, but Matrix doesn't make just free products. Don't look at all complainers, as one might be wont to do, as somebody who complains about free products, as it's easy enough, for some reason, to link anything SPWAW, or anything Matrix with 'free', whereas it isn't necessarily.[:)]

Good point, Charles. Let me clarify by changing my comment to "SPWaW-bashing is the rankest example of ingratitude I've seen in a long time." [;)]

ORIGINAL: Frank W.

ORIGINAL: wulfir

Yeah, what did talking ever solve!? [:D]

How 'bout a small scale battle, Frank?

H2H
French North Africa - December 1942,
You the invading American gangsters, me the valiant French. [;)]


And the French nevah surrenduh! [8D]

hi

mhhh...sound snot historic .

when did the americans arrive in north africa ?

but okay, we can play the game you said.

which slot do you want,points etc ?

Yanks/Brits landed in Nov '42.
But it doesn't matter, the game won't allow me to set up a Fra vs US desert battle in 1942 (game thinks it is winter in umm France or someplace).

Looks like it's gonna have to be the Frogs (me) vs the Germans in western Europe instead.
Any slot, not over 1000 pts please.

Go Gamelin! [8D]

Frank W i found that talking alot never wins a fight. The guy that stands there telling what he is going to do will lose the fight 9 times out of 10. Cursing and screaming at some one never wins the fight. The guy that throws the first punch has begun to win already thats if the first one lands. [:D][:D][:D][:D] Never wait till the oppossing force is to far with in your range hit him hard at long range. Say the length of your arm. This slows him down and makes him think very hard.

ORIGINAL: Frank W.

mhhh...sound snot historic .

when did the americans arrive in north africa ?

November 8th, 1942.

Goblin

Let me as President of Matrix make this very clear. It is my view that after talking to Brent there is NOTHING wrong with Lost Victories. Its works and plays fine...

...except, of course, for lost leaders and lost turn-based scores, to say nothing of the irritation of the clunky save system. The lost leaders issue compromises the otherwise engaging role playing effect. The lost scores problem compromises the fine work that went into the decision tree system. Spent many hours on work-arounds, but finally gave it up. Haven't played an MC since. Many sincere thanks, and over $100 for Mega Campaigns, to Matrix for the gratis effort on SPWAW. However, as a paying customer, am legitimately unhappy with the programming that went into the MCs. Haven't committed to MCSE for this reason.

I am sorry you are not 100% happy with the system. Some of what Brent tried to do was not designed into the MC engine. Please do not take my comment to mean its perfect. It was more to state that the game can be played from start to finish. If you have an issue that you like to see if it can be address please email Brent at (brentr@matrixgames.com).

David

Yo David,
First off thanks to you, Matrix team, Brent, and of course, Wild Bill for all the fantastic work put into SPWAW and the MC's.
Secondly, having worked on two of the 4 MC's, I have to say that the limitations of the MC engine SEEM relatively easy to fix. Has any discussion taken place for a quick mod to the MC engine?
Third, with CL being hopefully a successor to SPWAW, will there be an MC engine included? Implications are that the game engine will have "mods" for each theatre sold as separate game units(a la Talonsoft's Battleground and EF/WF series), so does that rule out MC's?
Thank you![8D]