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ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

ORIGINAL: Spooky

ORIGINAL: Zakhal

Paradox should seek another publisher. Strategy first is well known for horrendous relieses.

Paradox just dumped Strategy First for the "Crusader Kings" release in North America so I presume their relationship is over [:)]

Why blame the publisher for shoddy development? They have nothing to do with the code.

ORIGINAL: dinsdale

Both games look like Risk++ though I would wager HOI will be a deeper game with more gameplay options and WaW will probably be more stable and a more accurate WW2 game.

ORIGINAL: Didz
Personally, I hated EU. Its another game gathering dust on the reject shelf.
Nice, idea ruined by unecessary use of real time programming and 3D animation that got in the way of gameplay.

How did the limited icon animation "get in the way" of gameplay? Do you think they could have squeezed out a new generation AI in the afternoon it took to animate the icons?

The game lasts 400 years and thankfully the continuous time design prevents pressing the next-turn button every week, this is one game the truly benefits from being RTS.

I got EU II for $7.95 after patch 1.07 came out.

ORIGINAL: ravinhood

Heh, they dumped Strategy First and picked up with ATARI, lol ATARI, oh boy, let me go find my JOYSTICKS from my ATARI days! lol

ORIGINAL: ravinhood

Heh, they dumped Strategy First and picked up with ATARI, lol ATARI, oh boy, let me go find my JOYSTICKS from my ATARI days! lol

But, about Paradox and their "buy it now, we'll fix it later" policy, I certainly agree with waiting to buy any of their games now. I can understand "1" or maybe "2" patches, but, "7" or "8" a year and a half from the release date??? no way man (I'm nobodies beta tester when I have to pay for it). It took them a year and a half to make HOI 1 playable to me in a realistic sense. Allied invasions, in fact any AI's amphibious invasions and naval combat was to laugh at. And I don't buy these games for their "multiplayer" features, so the gameplay and the AI had better be pretty up to snuff if any of them want my $$. HOI 1 was the first and last Paradox game I will ever buy retail. I got EU II for $7.95 after patch 1.07 came out. If that's how they intend to do business, then that's how I intend to buy their products, when they are actually finished and not some "beta" program out of the box.

Now, they are their OWN publisher. Atari is helping with distribution.

ORIGINAL: Didz

I'm afraid it just irritated the hell out of me watching those lame little figures trudging over the landscape for ages when all I needed to do was pick tyhem up and move them to the next province and the stupid animate comabt sequences acheived nothing but delay the point when the programme told me who had won the battle.

I'm afraid I have no time for such teenage gimmicks, escpecially when the net result of all that 3D rubbish is that I can't play the game as a PBEM with my friends.

ORIGINAL: Zakhal

ORIGINAL: ravinhood

Heh, they dumped Strategy First and picked up with ATARI, lol ATARI, oh boy, let me go find my JOYSTICKS from my ATARI days! lol

Its not atari really but interplay which bought the atari logo after their own trademark (interplay) was tarnished by multiple bad releases. Not that it helped much in their case. The bad releases still continue. (temple of elemental evil etc)

ORIGINAL: mjk428

ORIGINAL: Zakhal

ORIGINAL: ravinhood

Heh, they dumped Strategy First and picked up with ATARI, lol ATARI, oh boy, let me go find my JOYSTICKS from my ATARI days! lol

Its not atari really but interplay which bought the atari logo after their own trademark (interplay) was tarnished by multiple bad releases. Not that it helped much in their case. The bad releases still continue. (temple of elemental evil etc)

That's not accurate, although I'm sorry that's the case since it was the loss of rights to Atari that helped kill Jefferson (Baldur's Gate 3). Poor old Interplay is dead. They put out some great games. May they rest in peace.

The Atari logo is being used as a beard but it's by Infogrames.

http://www.atari.com/

Bet you still feel gouged on the price.

ORIGINAL: Zakhal

Correct. Inforgames not interplay. Cant remember all the names.[:'(]

ORIGINAL: ravinhood
Yeah, we'll see, can't wait to see what Johan's excuse will be this time around since they are their OWN publishers now, there will be no excuse for a beta program out of the box. To me though there never really was, I don't buy this publishers push causes bad games, I say the developers were lazy and didn't program fast enough, probably spent too much time drinking coffee and wagging with the secretaries, then when release time came, it was like "oh but we aren't finished yet, we need more funds and more time", "ok well don't blame us then if the game gets bad reviews, we worked on it hard and heavy" lol yeah right.

ORIGINAL: Juba
How would it have been done better to simulate the troops marching to the province? Or would you like the unit to stay motionless and then all of a sudden zoom over to the other province?

The same thing with the battles. Should the battle be decided the second the two armies meet or should the player be given time to retreat when he sees that the battle isn't going his way?

Teenage gimmicks [:D] IMHO the game is much better in real-time than in turn-based. You don't think so and it's your loss you're missing out on one of the greatest games I've ever played (EU2 that is not EU, eventhough they may seem similiar there is a quite a bit of difference between the two and EU2 is MUCH better than EU).