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Of course you must understand:

These are the new SUPER STEALTH INVISIBLE KILLER PT Boats.

With CV tracking torpedoes! These will not hit any other ship type! [X(]

Well....maybe it was foggy...possibly, the Japanese had no radar....perhaps ships were oiling....maybe they were recovering aircraft....maybe they were misdentified. Or perhaps the PT's activated their "cloaking device". Still it seems to be a little far-fetched [:'(]

I don't think pt boats were very effective at all during the war especially when confronted with destroyers or bigger. Its not just the 5 inch guns pt boats have to worry about, the bofors smaller 40 or 20 mm and even machineguns since there mostly open deck boats.

Guys, the Leyte jeep carrier mess shouldn't have happened, either. Best situational results sometimes happen. If it happens a few times with the PT's and they generally muck up other TF's as well, then there is room for action.

My biggest complaint about that incident is that all the PTs weren't sunk... What were the crews on those CAs and DDs asleep throughout the entire fight ?

Xargun

Mine get pounded under like cheap bath toys in the hands of a child recreating the Titanic's demise.[:D]

ORIGINAL: von Murrin

Guys, the Leyte jeep carrier mess shouldn't have happened, either. Best situational results sometimes happen. If it happens a few times with the PT's and they generally muck up other TF's as well, then there is room for action.

Excellent point! And Mathias Rust should never have been able to fly a Piper Cub through Russian cold war air defences then land in Red Square [:D]

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

ORIGINAL: von Murrin

Guys, the Leyte jeep carrier mess shouldn't have happened, either. Best situational results sometimes happen. If it happens a few times with the PT's and they generally muck up other TF's as well, then there is room for action.

Excellent point! And Mathias Rust should never have been able to fly a Piper Cub through Russian cold war air defences then land in Red Square [:D]

That's an even better example, LOL.[:D]

ORIGINAL: von Murrin

Guys, the Leyte jeep carrier mess shouldn't have happened, either. Best situational results sometimes happen. If it happens a few times with the PT's and they generally muck up other TF's as well, then there is room for action.

I don't know. Three torpedoes got through. This is like a one in a billion shot. There have already been other 'odd' PT results posted too.

I have trouble with it because I tend to get one or two reported torp hits per group of five boats, but lose ALL the PT's.

I had PT's boats sink the Yamato, her sister ship, two other BB's, about 4 CA's and 8 DD's in one day in a PBEM Im playing. That was the entire task force wiped out. I too had written it off to a lucky attack (very very lucky I know), but I think we are seeing more and more of the ninja PT boat attacks being reported and someone should do some testing.

As I mentioned in another thread I see no reason to risk BB's when attacking a surface group if 40 PT's will do a much better job and are valued at 1 point each.

Dawg

ORIGINAL: MadDawg

I had PT's boats sink the Yamato, her sister ship, two other BB's, about 4 CA's and 8 DD's in one day in a PBEM Im playing. That was the entire task force wiped out. I too had written it off to a lucky attack (very very lucky I know), but I think we are seeing more and more of the ninja PT boat attacks being reported and someone should do some testing.

As I mentioned in another thread I see no reason to risk BB's when attacking a surface group if 40 PT's will do a much better job and are valued at 1 point each.

Dawg

agreed. i have had an entire bombardment group of BB's, CA's, and DD's destroyed by four PT boats

Did PT boats historically sink anything larger than a barge during the entire war? ever? Anyone know?

I know early in the war they were credited with a few ships, but, according to the US navy this turned out to be incorrect..or propaganda, one or the other, don't remember...

http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq20-1.htm

http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Waf ... ote3-R.htm

But these were German e-boats (=PT boats).

Well looking at the screen shot, I don't see any kind of flames on the carriers, just the black smoke that appears after 10 sys dmg is reached. Could this be FOW and no hits were actually produced? Overexcited PT captain who saw the TF, launched, then fled and told his superiors how he managed to bag 2 CV's when he saw a bit of smoke on the horizon?

Jim

That is the most dramatic torpedo boat victory I can think of too. Still, LST's are really just glorified barges and in this case they were attacked at night and were either unescorted or poorly escorted.

Even at Jutland where torpedo boats were plentiful in a huge fleet battle, I don't think they took out anything very significant.

Fury

With all those ships they would of been picked up, then the PT's would be doding a hell storm of 8 inch shells. If they decided to press home their attack then they 4.7 and 5 inch shells would come in sheets. And if they really damned the torpedos and went ahead they would meet a wall of 25mm shell fire.
PTS are high speed but still when you are talking about distances of 1000's of yards they arnt that fast. A near miss from an 8'' shell would probably damage or overturn a PT.

Super long range torps that do travel at bout 350 kts??? A torp aafired at 30 knots.. a slow long range setting will simply be outrun by a surface ship unless it is fired point blank... and a 35 to 45 kts torp doesn't have such long ranges, and if they did what sleepy lookouts to not spot thesee and turn your ships to avoid????
After playing as the hjap and doing well against what little pt's I had forgotten these ... now what? I remember a post about pt's vs destroyers with miner pt damage and severe sevearly damaged dds.. ggcb
really now... PPLLLEEEEEAASSE !!!!! This is absurdity in all its glory.. or gory [:D]

Well, in MHO, I think this raises the question again about FOW in surface actions. In this instance it looks like each ship from both sides was represented on the battle screen. Yet only minor fire exchanges occured. I think we need to start seeing battles occur where only the "sighted" ships appear on the screen. I would have no issues with this battle really if only the one PT boat was seen. The one was blown outta the water afterall...

But ya Kid, I think you did open a MAJOR can of worms. LOL!!

Night Time Surface Combat at 21,47

Japanese Ships
AK Kosei Maru
AK Kotoku Maru
AK Mansei Maru
AK Okitu Maru
AK Pacific Maru
AK Shinyubari Maru
AK Soyo Maru
AK Sugiyama Maru
AK Sydney Maru

Allied Ships
PT TM-9, Shell hits 10, on fire, heavy damage