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RE: My advise.. don't use Wirraway's
Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2004 3:49 pm
by DJAndrews
Wirraways were primarily used as trainers or fighter bombers, not fighters.
They are very useful once you're trying to counter the gazillion barges the Japanese use to run supplies locally. Other larger bombers don't consider barges worthwhile. You'll be thankful for them after you've had a few barges sink your submarines that go after them. They're just as useful as PT boats (and just as limited - once they get the BB-killer PT boat thing ironed out).
RE: My advise.. don't use Wirraway's
Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2004 7:10 pm
by Jaws_slith
Seems all you guys learned a lot about those Wirraway's. Thanks for the tip about Barges.. I never seen those in the game, but I will keep my planes ready to encounter them[:)]
RE: My advise.. don't use Wirraway's
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 11:53 am
by Jaws_slith
After months of recovery the Wirraway's were ready for a naval attack mission.... And here are the results.[:@]
RE: My advise.. don't use Wirraway's
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 12:20 pm
by Caranorn
Could you have picked a worse target then Yamato and two heavy cruisers?
In any case, I tend to get good use out of my Wirraways. You just have to learn they are not first class fighters. If I had to use them as fighters (Australia is a bit short on those in the early game), I'd consider attritional results of 6 Wirraways lost for 1 Zero over my base acceptable (but to get that the Wirraway pilots probably have to learn a few tricks first and raise their morale). In the early war I feel it's all about attrition, the Japanese cannot produce new planes and pilots at a rate anywhere near the allies (any other fighter/fb my usual rate is 1/3 in 41 and 42), so go and shoot down or damage even a few Zeroes far from their bases.
But never attack a major naval unit;-) or you'll play the Aussie version of kamikaze.
Marc aka Caran...
RE: My advise.. don't use Wirraway's
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 12:26 pm
by Bobthehatchit
ORIGINAL: Jaws43
After months of recovery the Wirraway's were ready for a naval attack mission.... And here are the results.[:@]
Ah....... no not good idea.....
Against barges yes, transports yes and light escort ships yes, fleet units no not a good idea.[:-]
RE: My advise.. don't use Wirraway's
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 1:21 pm
by Harpoon_GER
I use them to suppress remote japanese bases and cut them off supply lines, where only some occasional IJN transports would go. Got me some AKs & TKs this way.
RE: My advise.. don't use Wirraway's
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 1:33 pm
by Hartley
ORIGINAL: Fallschirmjager
Even against unescorted bombers they suck.
But they still offer some deterence against them, when the bombers make their pre-mission checks.
RE: My advise.. don't use Wirraway's
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 1:43 pm
by Halsey
Wirraway's are pretty good in the ground support role. Send them to India where there are more close support operations to do.[8D]
Never ever fly CAP during the daylight with them.[X(]
RE: My advise.. don't use Wirraway's
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 1:55 pm
by crsutton
You have to remember that the wirraway was nothing but a souped up T-6 texan training aircraft. Not really a front line plane and certainly not capable of fighting zeros. It was a two seater. The usual configuration only had two 30 cal mgs firing forward. Any use of them in an area where serious air oppositions or AA should bring massive losses.
http://www.warbirdalley.com/wirraway.htm
RE: My advise.. don't use Wirraway's
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 2:00 pm
by crsutton
Well, calling it a T-6 is a bit of a simplifcation. Here is a good history of the wirraway.
http://www.australianwarbirds.com.au/survivors.htm
RE: My advise.. don't use Wirraway's
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 2:16 pm
by Jaws_slith
Good story[:)] And it tells us that WitP simulate this aircraft well. So I will send all my Wirraway's to Perth and let them hunt for sharks until upgrades are available[:D]
RE: My advise.. don't use Wirraway's
Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 7:08 am
by dacharls
The only thing wirraways are useful for is 100ft attacks on barges and transports. They are useless for everything else. But against barges they are both accurate and quite stirdy.
To bad you cant upgrade them to P39.
RE: My advise.. don't use Wirraway's
Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 7:50 am
by Xargun
ORIGINAL: Fallschirmjager
Might as well spot your opponent a few dozen points rather than using those pieces of shit.
They are quite possibly the most useless plane in the game. Its a shame you cant upgrade them to Hurricanes or P-39's
Really ? Worse than Buffalos ? I find that hard to believe... I've hard 6 zeros wipe out 15+ Buffalos before...
Xargun
RE: My advise.. don't use Wirraway's
Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 9:34 am
by Jaws_slith
ORIGINAL: Xargun
ORIGINAL: Fallschirmjager
Might as well spot your opponent a few dozen points rather than using those pieces of shit.
They are quite possibly the most useless plane in the game. Its a shame you cant upgrade them to Hurricanes or P-39's
Really ? Worse than Buffalos ? I find that hard to believe... I've hard 6 zeros wipe out 15+ Buffalos before...
Xargun
It must be on the field[:D]
If those Buffalos have some experience they can hold out a while.
RE: My advise.. don't use Wirraway's
Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 9:42 am
by aspqrz02
Of course, the upgrade path should be to Boomerangs.
And thereby hangs an interesting tale.
A couple of years ago a friend and I were in Melbourne (he'd never seen it, and I'd told him it was a hole, compared to Sydney ... he didn't believe me so we went down, and now he agrees [:D] and we went down to the RAAF museum where they had a display on the Boomerang.
According to the details it was designed in an incredibly short space of time, c. 2-3 months, IIRC, from Wirraway components, mainly ... which is amazing enough in and of itself.
The *really* strange thing was that it was designed by an Austrian or German refugee (forget whether he was Jewish or merely "political") who was classed as an "enemy alien" and had to report to the local Police Station daily [X(]
I doubt anyone can top *that* story of weird aircraft origins [;)]
Phil
RE: My advise.. don't use Wirraway's
Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 10:27 am
by Captain Cruft
From reading this -
http://www.australianwarbirds.com.au/survivors.htm - it seems like this plane might be better modelled as a Recon or maybe even a Transport plane! Much like the Lysander "fighter bomber" ...
Incidentally, why do we have the different plane types at all? Wouldn't it be better to have a more comprehensive set of missions and doctrines instead? Number of engines and loadouts could still be considered.
RE: My advise.. don't use Wirraway's
Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 10:57 am
by Jaws_slith
ORIGINAL: aspqrz
Of course, the upgrade path should be to Boomerangs.
And thereby hangs an interesting tale.
A couple of years ago a friend and I were in Melbourne (he'd never seen it, and I'd told him it was a hole, compared to Sydney ... he didn't believe me so we went down, and now he agrees [:D] and we went down to the RAAF museum where they had a display on the Boomerang.
According to the details it was designed in an incredibly short space of time, c. 2-3 months, IIRC, from Wirraway components, mainly ... which is amazing enough in and of itself.
The *really* strange thing was that it was designed by an Austrian or German refugee (forget whether he was Jewish or merely "political") who was classed as an "enemy alien" and had to report to the local Police Station daily [X(]
I doubt anyone can top *that* story of weird aircraft origins [;)]
Phil
After developing such a plane… he came away very good with only reporting to the local police[;)]