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ORIGINAL: esteban

It's tough to hold Yunan, Changsha and the railway from Hong Kong to Changsha, but you can move a lot of troops from Chungking towards the front, and when they arrive things stabilize a lot.

One thing to remember as China in a PBEM game, DO NOT strip your rear bases of all infanty units. A smart Japanese player will use his parachute units to take anything that you just leave protected by base forces. Having Lanchow, Sian, Chungking or your key supply line bases captured by paras would be pretty painful.

Yup learning about those paratroops although I have been able to kick them around a bit.
It seams that reinforcing sian, chunking and kunming as the main rear strategic areas
and putting up some kind of stiff resistance along the outer city lines will keep the japs busy for a long while.
Has anybody moved chinese troops towards India as blocking support there?

ORIGINAL: Mogami

Hi, As Japan I just allow the Chinese to pile onto me. Then I use bombard attacks every turn. Kill at least 1k Chinese every turn. As long as I know where they are at and I am killing them for free I don't worry about them. I advance to the forward supply bases and then let the Chinese come to me so I can shell them. One of these days I might decide to push them back but there is no hurry.

Here again I am a follower of the Mogami method [:D] Much like his advice on pilot training, this makes good sense. The only thing I would add is take advantage of any openings. Rest your units in the bases along the central rail and make use of the fast interior lines to exploit any holes in the Chinese defense as they develop.

Hi...
as Allied, right now I'm actively use Chinese forces in fact it has made south pacific very quiet.

I transferred 120 thousands of idle chinese troops from Yunan, Kunming Chungking to intervene in Burma.

The result is......
50,000 chinese troops from Yunan is able to 'encircle' jap's 33rd and 55th division at railroad/highways near Myitkyina.

The other 70,000 chinese troops from Kunming and Chunking are able to push back jap's 18th division from Mandalay and effectively shut the supply line for jap's 33rd and 55th division near Myitkyina. I'm able to push back the jap's 18th division toward Rangoon.

At Rangoon, they met up with 70,000 UK and Indian troops moving north from Akyab. With the combined force of nearly 140.000 troops I'm able to quickly recapture Rangoon at June 31st, 1942 by completely eliminating jap's 18th division and its 10,000 garrison.

Based on the data from recon planes, the garrison of cities along Siam and Indochina shores is quite small, no more than 5000 for each cities. Fortunately, the road at Siam and Indochina is excellent for rapid blitzkrieg of my UK and Indian armored units.

My 150,000 UK, Indian, Burma and Chinese are now ready at Siam border.

I have the plan to completely recapture all of Siam and Indochina and free up the the chinese troops at Vietnam-China border for the offensive to recapture Canton and Hongkong. I calculate to be able to wield more than 200,000 troops for this offensive.

I think another reason of my success in Burma is the use of all 5 US carriers south of Java, I'm able to to sunk more than 200 jap's transports by raiding Palembang and intercept the invasion fleets.

Right now is July 5th,1942 and Java hasn't fallen yet.............

I was just reading about the Cairo and Tehran Allied war conferences in Nov'43 and how the Nationalist Chinese wouldn't even give a few divisions to support the British in Burma because the British were more interested in freeing Malaya and Dutch Indies than supplying China via Burma Road. Also how the KMT had no desire to fight the Japanese and were happy with the unofficial ceasefire that existed between them and Japan. More interested in building troops to fight the Communists. In WITP, everyone is friends and no restrictions on either side allows these massive campaigns of conquest on Asian mainland. Not saying it couldn't happen, just there was no political motive on China's part to do so as long as the potential for civil war existed. Finally, how also Stalin told the allies that don't worry about China, he would save the day and intervene once Germany was kaput. Which is exactly what he did... [:'(]

ORIGINAL: CMDRMCTOAST

ORIGINAL: esteban

It's tough to hold Yunan, Changsha and the railway from Hong Kong to Changsha, but you can move a lot of troops from Chungking towards the front, and when they arrive things stabilize a lot.

One thing to remember as China in a PBEM game, DO NOT strip your rear bases of all infanty units. A smart Japanese player will use his parachute units to take anything that you just leave protected by base forces. Having Lanchow, Sian, Chungking or your key supply line bases captured by paras would be pretty painful.

Yup learning about those paratroops although I have been able to kick them around a bit.
It seams that reinforcing sian, chunking and kunming as the main rear strategic areas
and putting up some kind of stiff resistance along the outer city lines will keep the japs busy for a long while.
Has anybody moved chinese troops towards India as blocking support there?

I use the 9 Southeast Asia divisions in Yunan and move them to Mandalay on Turn 1. I leave one or two INF divisions in each rear city to keep Japan from paratrooping in and all other divisions go to Sian, Ichang, Hengyang(sp?) and Wuchow and/or Kwelin to make a stand. A good Japanese player will always take Yenen and can easily flank you to the north and take Lanchow, but it is Sian, not Lanchow, in spite of its VP's, that is of strategic significance since that where the highway to the interior is at. You should be able to mass enough force to make the Japanese player have to himself mass in one spot and doggedly try and take on spur city at a time. And your bad Chinese unit gain experience as time passes. By late 1942 you should have some pretty crack Chinese divisions if the Japanese have been stubbornly attacking. This is even with the Burma road cut. Japan will also have a VERY hard time backdooring China through Yunan as his supply is over long, arduous, trails.

Bottom line for Japan, beyond taking much of the central rail line against a good human foe, the rest of China is a complete waste of time and resources. Remember every time you bombard those massed Chinese troops they are gaining valuable experience. Do it long enough and they become top notch groups themselves.

Here again I am a follower of the Mogami method

Be careful; those 40 exp chinese corps will now be 50+ or more...

I'm surprised no one has advocated the one strength China has yet, pure numbers. I like to divide all of my Corps and create a carpet of units several hexes thick, with multiple division sized units stacked along the front lines for use against any Japanese advances. If Japan advances anywhere I simply swarm around them and let attrition do the dirty work.

I think it's a huge mistake to try and face the Japanese in mass formations defending a base, it's simply too easy for them to defeat your units in detail. Spread em out and the Japanese player only faces a division or two at best while the rest of your armies are busy moving in behind them.

It’s like trying to squash cockroaches in a filthy apartment, no matter how many you step on, there’s ten times more the next time you turn on a light. Let Japan chase your divided units all day long if he wants, he can’t hope to match your numbers and inevitably will get surrounded wherever he goes.

Even if you lose a base or two, their still cutoff and surrounded by at least a one or two hex ring of smaller units. Eventually lack of supply and attrition will wear them down enough and then you can move a lot of the small local units into the hex to begin the assault, being sure to keep the base cutoff of course.

I also make sure to keep at least a division in every base to stop paradrops.

Jim

Ack Jim you gave it away, now my PBEM games will be harder [:D]

ORIGINAL: sveint

Ack Jim you gave it away, now my PBEM games will be harder [:D]

[:'(]

Hi, By my calculations if the Chinese pile onto Yenen, Changsha, Canton and any other base. 1000 turns of arty fire will reduce them to nothing.
Set the Japanese economy to producing gun barrels and transfer all arty units to China.
Helped by the Sonia, Mary and Ann the Japanese offensive into India can begin on
7 Sept 1944. (Just about the time the Allied player have moved the entire India/Burma force forward. Where it can be cut off and trapped against the Indian Ocean. During the following Pacific Dunkirk your Betty Daitai at Rangoon will have fun like they have not had for 3 years.
The surprise launch of this offensive will cause your PBEM opponent much wonder and awe.


(I wanted to make sure I had this on record before the Banana claimed he invented it)

(I wanted to make sure I had this on record before the Banana claimed he invented it)

Careful, what will happen next is he will follow your plan wrongly and blame you that it didn't work [:'(]

Like when I told him to city bomb Darwin and he sent all his bombers with no escort [:D]

Sometimes ... too many bananas are not good for you [;)]

Thanks for all the advice guy's.[8D]