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RE: Damaged BB's sink en route to West Coast

Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 11:08 pm
by BraveHome
ORIGINAL: stewart_king

I started a CG as the Allies recently. I was gratified when the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor resulted in no sinkings. ....
Stewart King

As an aside, in all the one day PH attacks I've simulated I've never been able to recreate the number of BB losses inflicted as happened in R/L.

Are there 'standard'/recommended changes to the initial PH CV attack used to better achieve the historical results?

Thanks!

RE: Damaged BB's sink en route to West Coast

Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 2:16 am
by Ron Saueracker
ORIGINAL: BraveHome
ORIGINAL: stewart_king

I started a CG as the Allies recently. I was gratified when the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor resulted in no sinkings. ....
Stewart King

As an aside, in all the one day PH attacks I've simulated I've never been able to recreate the number of BB losses inflicted as happened in R/L.

Are there 'standard'/recommended changes to the initial PH CV attack used to better achieve the historical results?

Thanks!

It's a crap shoot. Try Pry's scenario 16 which starts Dec 8/41

RE: Damaged BB's sink en route to West Coast

Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 2:39 am
by madflava13
Also keep in mind that SYS of 90+ is the equivalent of being "sunk" in the shallow water of PH.

RE: Damaged BB's sink en route to West Coast

Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 3:55 am
by Feinder
Only 1 BB was sunk, never to be raised (historically), the Arizona. Even the Oklahoma, after it was raised, there was -brief- discussion to to refit her. Due to the time and cost. and her slow speed, it was deemed not worth it, so she was scrappped.

-F-

RE: Damaged BB's sink en route to West Coast

Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 4:10 am
by BraveHome
ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker


It's a crap shoot. Try Pry's scenario 16 which starts Dec 8/41
Ah! I thought it was just a crappy shoot (by me [:D]).

I was also thinking that (Intel being what it is, or isn't) I might not have been informed of the 'true' results.

I may go for Pry's after I've mastered ([8|]) Scenario 15. I've only tried 1 PBEM so far, and it's been a humbling experience (mainly from a logistics point of view).

Thanks!

RE: Damaged BB's sink en route to West Coast

Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 4:34 am
by BraveHome
ORIGINAL: Feinder

Only 1 BB was sunk, never to be raised (historically), the Arizona. Even the Oklahoma, after it was raised, there was -brief- discussion to to refit her. Due to the time and cost. and her slow speed, it was deemed not worth it, so she was scrappped.

-F-

I guess sunk is a relative term. In WitP terminology, it means sunk/lost. In the historical record, sunk ships can be raised and refitted.

Curious how many veteran Japanese players stick around a 2nd day to effect more 'WitP' sinkings....

RE: Damaged BB's sink en route to West Coast

Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 4:39 am
by tsimmonds
Curious how many veteran Japanese players stick around a 2nd day to effect more 'WitP' sinkings....

What's so curious about it? Having come so far and caused so much damage on the first day, it only makes sense to hit PH again when it is at its weakest....

RE: Damaged BB's sink en route to West Coast

Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 7:07 am
by Ron Saueracker
ORIGINAL: Feinder

Only 1 BB was sunk, never to be raised (historically), the Arizona. Even the Oklahoma, after it was raised, there was -brief- discussion to to refit her. Due to the time and cost. and her slow speed, it was deemed not worth it, so she was scrappped.

-F-

Oklahoma actually foundered on the way.

RE: Damaged BB's sink en route to West Coast

Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 12:45 pm
by BraveHome
ORIGINAL: irrelevant

What's so curious about it? Having come so far and caused so much damage on the first day, it only makes sense to hit PH again when it is at its weakest....

That seemed reasonable to me too, but I had to balance out the potential gains against the sure losses of more of my best (and limited) pilots in the better prepared 2nd day strikes. So (in my first PBEM) I played it 'historical'. I may choose otherwise in my next...[;)]

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manual

Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 10:38 pm
by mogami
Hi, The manual says "Damaged ships check every turn for more damage. The amount depends on current damage and whether a ship is in port or not" (along with Nationality,crew and other factors)

RE: manual

Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 6:51 pm
by BraveHome
ORIGINAL: Mogami

Hi, The manual says "Damaged ships check every turn for more damage. The amount depends on current damage and whether a ship is in port or not" (along with Nationality,crew and other factors)

Ah! Makes sense that damage begets damage (in some cases). And without good Recon/Intel, the Japanese would not know about the eventual disposition of these ships....