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In my game vs Mike Italy fell on the first turn... it might very well prove the exception to the Axis victory.

Generally however, the Axis player can:
-prepare for the long haul
-attack Soviet and the US as long as possible
-amass large forces in Germany and Japan
-hold out beyond the historical date

This should net a minor Axis victory. Of course it is often a more exiting and fun game to go for broke.

All the Axis needs to do to "win" (the game, not the war) is hold out longer than historical.

Oh and I have time for one or two more games, if you want to play drop me an email at sveint99 AT gmail DOT (commercial). Trying to keep that inbox spam free.... not easy.

Hey SVeint!

While I think Germany can potentially "hole up" in Germany massing units to simply "await the invasion", I still dont think it would net an "axis minor victory" every time as you comment. There are a HUGE number of variables to this game and to arbitrarily say that one side or the other has a guaranteed advantage is a bit premature, I think....

I think both sides have potential for grand victories...I've seen em both! Lets all get months more of gaming under our belt before making sweeping claims of "imbalance." Claims like that get challenged...and ultimately....defeated. [;)]

later

Mike

My claim is simply that it's easier to win as the Axis than as the Allies. Of course the players and random factors matter. I'd still be very surprised if not 60%+ of games reported are at least an Axis Minor Victory.

hmm..interesting.

I would probably say at least 50% would be Axis minor victories. Of course that is based on the same random factors such as players and "dice."

I guess we could do a statistical sample of say....50 games? Maybe the developers would create a "sticky" where we could simply post win/loss level? Then we could chug some numbers and come up with a pretty could picture. That would be interesting to see. Of course there would be biases that would be inherent...so the statistical significance may be suspect.... .ah well, guess we just have to agree to disagree!

later

Mike

My next objective is to attain a Draw with the Axis in PBEM with no auto victory or end date, by reaching a stalemate with the Western Allies after a conquest of the Soviet Union.

I have yet to lose as the Axis or win as the Allies. So, yes, I have drawn my own conclusions.

All the Axis needs to do to "win" (the game, not the war) is hold out longer than historical.

Well, actually....the Allies do have until Winter 1947 (with the Fall 1946 turn being the last) in a game with an end date. True, a victory in 1946 is considered only marginal in the game, but still...

And about our game, even though our timer was disabled and I wasn´t hurrying to conquer Germany at any point, I am positive that I could have attained victory in ´46, if I´d started "going for it" at the time you pulled out of the game, in which case the game would have to be considered an axis loss by any victory standards. And this was indeed my first PBEM game.

Hmm seems everyone think I am a fan of the Axis or something. I actually enjoy playing the Allies just as much. Guess this is what I get for stating my opinion that it's easier to win as the Axis.

hehe! [:D]

Sveint;

The great thing about open discussions is just that, that we can all argue our points! That is what "free speech" such a great thing! We can all totally disagree about every topic and still be friendly, polite and civil to each other! (of course with some sarcastic jabs now and again for fun!)

Later!

Mike

I'm sorry Glabro my heart isn't in a game where my opponent asks me not to bomb his fleet (hey I only spent 4 seasons developing those bombers) or reloads when you cannot undo moves. I'll gladly hand you that Allied victory.

I agree Mike, our Italy-falls-on-turn one is turning out to be quite interesting too!

ORIGINAL: sveint

I'm sorry Glabro my heart isn't in a game where my opponent asks me not to bomb his fleet (hey I only spent 4 seasons developing those bombers) or reloads when you cannot undo moves. I'll gladly hand you that Allied victory.

Well, there goes your pretense of friendliness and not getting upset, I guess.

About the fleets, yes, that was a bit of a silly request, I agree, but it´s not like it had any effect in the game as I agreed that it was silly.

About the undo-thing, if that caused you to not have your heart in the game, then you should have never started it. I did clearly state this before the game, that being able to undo by the means of a reload when checking out the battle´s projected casualties would have to be allowed for me to play with FoW.

Neither of these reasons is an excuse for the axis defeat. As I said, it wasn´t all about winning or losing for me....but apparently it was for you.

I love how people try to belittle and draw attention away from their own faults by painting the other person black instead. Now, I could surely return the favour and go on and on about this on the forums, but I simply don´t care that much.

We´ll just give it a rest.

Nice editing of the personal attack in your first message Glabro. Let's just drop it.

I agree, the original message was too harsh, and it´s a shame you happened to see it before I removed it. You weren´t meant to, but I took too long in re-phrasing it... Well, if you did, I don´t wonder why you were actually upset. (No, it didn´t contain name-calling or any such silliness for those interested, it was just too harsh).

I apologize, we were both at fault, and so on. Peace.