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so the allies should have gotten zero as well correct???

no pool = no pool

ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

so the allies should have gotten zero as well correct???

no pool = no pool

er... what???

ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag
no pool = no pool

And it gets so hot in the summertime....

Means all pilots should come in at the graduated basic flight school + advanced tactics (as there are no training aircraft modelled). What you do beyond that is up to you.

ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

Means all pilots should come in at the graduated basic flight school + advanced tactics (as there are no training aircraft modelled). What you do beyond that is up to you.

right so you are saying there should be no pilot replacement pool screen at all.

that they should just come in at the basic training level automatically as replacements for both sides...

am i right? is this what u are saying?

ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

Means all pilots should come in at the graduated basic flight school + advanced tactics (as there are no training aircraft modelled). What you do beyond that is up to you.

I could live with that. Actually that seems about the best way to handle it if there were some mechanism for simply transferring pilots to front line units without the headache of all of this disbanding nonsense.

ORIGINAL: doktorblood

ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

Means all pilots should come in at the graduated basic flight school + advanced tactics (as there are no training aircraft modelled). What you do beyond that is up to you.

I could live with that. Actually that seems about the best way to handle it if there were some mechanism for simply transferring pilots to front line units without the headache of all of this disbanding nonsense.

I can live with the disbanding. I just think of the pilots like piles of supplies; after you manufacture them, both have to be moved to the front. What I disagree with is the fact that you have to wait 90 days after disbanding in order to start the next training cycle.

With respect to disbanding other aircraft into the new squadrons I tried that but I only had 1 squadron each of kates and vals where most of my losses were ( most of the zero squadrons came back more or less intact) and these squadrons where very small one was 8 planes the other 4 not anywhere near enought to make up my losses.

what i ended up doing was creating my own training squadrons casue there was no others available by allowing replacements and transfereing the squandrons to a new base which would than casue the experianced val or kate pilots to seperate from the newbies whos planes where still damaged. by doing this i managed to create two new training squadrons for each normal squadron and still fill up the normal squadron with newbs for use in combat.

IF this kind of thing was intended from the start it would have been nice to mention it in the manual and create a better way to do this so i would not have to go thro this pain in the ass process to create a training program.

ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

This is what you get for being nice ... A long time ago, under protest, 2by3 *let8 Japan has some bonus pilots. They should in reality get NONE. Now because there as some, people complain that there are not enough.

Should have just stuck with zero pilots and be done with it. [8|]

Well, we've found something else we can agree on. That's twice, two months running!

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ORIGINAL: Tanaka

ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

Means all pilots should come in at the graduated basic flight school + advanced tactics (as there are no training aircraft modelled). What you do beyond that is up to you.

right so you are saying there should be no pilot replacement pool screen at all.

that they should just come in at the basic training level automatically as replacements for both sides...

am i right? is this what u are saying?

Im thinking I might edit my game so there is no advanced trained pilot pool for anyone....

Might make things a whole lot more interesting and historical...

BRILLIANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ORIGINAL: Tanaka

ORIGINAL: Tanaka

ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

Means all pilots should come in at the graduated basic flight school + advanced tactics (as there are no training aircraft modelled). What you do beyond that is up to you.

right so you are saying there should be no pilot replacement pool screen at all.

that they should just come in at the basic training level automatically as replacements for both sides...

am i right? is this what u are saying?

Im thinking I might edit my game so there is no advanced trained pilot pool for anyone....

Might make things a whole lot more interesting and historical...

Hi, It will not make it more historical. US pilots did not go to the Pacific before they had completed training. Japanese pilots are already trained on map so it is historical.

ORIGINAL: Mogami

ORIGINAL: Tanaka

ORIGINAL: Tanaka



right so you are saying there should be no pilot replacement pool screen at all.

that they should just come in at the basic training level automatically as replacements for both sides...

am i right? is this what u are saying?

Im thinking I might edit my game so there is no advanced trained pilot pool for anyone....

Might make things a whole lot more interesting and historical...

Hi, It will not make it more historical. US pilots did not go to the Pacific before they had completed training. Japanese pilots are already trained on map so it is historical.

So you are basically saying Japan should have no pool but the allies should???

Hi, Well you could instead give the USA another 125000 points in av support and 50 airfields and make him train on map. The Japanese "trained" pool per month is too small to even bother counting.
If you got down to counting "history" I think you would discover the USA replacement rates in WITP are way too low. (USAAF,USMC,USN) I don't know about other nations (except Japan which is just right in WITP (train them yourself) I'd bet a lot of Allied pilots actually trained in USA schools.

ORIGINAL: Mogami



Hi, It will not make it more historical. US pilots did not go to the Pacific before they had completed training. Japanese pilots are already trained on map so it is historical.

What do you mean? I see none of the thousands of training a/c that the Japs had nor any of their training formations. Not like there is any way to get pilots from a training unit to the front line units anyway.

HI, You issue a Japanese pilot his aircraft along with his goggles. You don't need training aircraft in WITP because every pilot trains in the aircraft he will fight in.
Now we know in real life pilots start in little airplanes and move up to bigger ones. But it all comes down to "does he have an aircraft to fight in" in WITP the answer is yes.
The training squadrons are the squdrons you assign to train pilots. The combat squadrons are the squadrons you assign combat missions to. You can have more or less of each. In WITP your run of the mill Japanese player by 1945 will have 3 or 4 times as many groups as Japan actually did by then. (The Japanese disbanded groups and formed new ones so that the actual number stayed about the same. In WITP very few players will ever actually disband a group except to have it dump pilots and then return)

Also I think we push our carriers harder for longer periods of time along with our ground air and this will also cause greater loss of trained pilots. I don't think the Japs pushed there resources so hard every month for 6 straight months. So what Pompack said makes alot of since.


I am not so sure it needs any mjor changes. [X(]

Hmmmm .. I guess I've missed the materiel that indicates the Japs trained their student pilots at the front prior to 1944.

H, Who says they trained at the front? I don't think Japan ever sent a pilot who had not completed the training program. The training program grew shorter but all Japanese pilots went through it.

I am saying you decide what groups are training and what groups are combat. Based on how you assign your groups the training of Japanese pilots will be more or less but it is up to you. All Japanese pilots in WITP train on map up to the level the player decides.

We could do the same to the USA player however it is doubtful whether any of the many schools the USA used would ever become targets for the Japanese.
Since the Japanese Home Islands become targets the pilot schools need to be on the map.


( I am going to change my screen name to Sisyphus because I have to keep explaining this over and over and it always just comes back)

Well that's the problem isn't it? The entire Jap Navy airforce is out of pilots and in training in early 1942 ....about 2 years ahead of schedule and the Jap Army airforce isn't far behind.