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Agree.

ORIGINAL: Wayllander

Certainly Franco was much more aligned ideologically with the Germans. But one most look at the risk vs reward of Spain's involvement. Joining the losing side meant he would very possibily lose everything, and joining the winning side had very little reward. So it was in his best interest to stay out of it.

If the Allies hit Portugal in say 44, I would bet Franco would try to work a deal to get some type of concession for cooperation rather then resist.

-way

Autoset are you changing your mind? I thought you were firmly in the unfreeze camp.

I agree with Wayllander too. It’s basically what I originally said. That scenario would probably be the case if Germany was performing more or less historically. But if Germany was winning the war, simulated by the 3 objectives, Spain would already be unfrozen making it moot what they would do if Portugal was attacked. But anyway I will stay with the unfreeze decision, because in the end its best to steer the WA's away from such goal.

I just finished V1.1 of Franco's Alliance yesterday but have not uploaded it yet because savefile.com has been down.

Interesting thread ...

Based on game mechanics and the motivation re the Franco's Alliance mod, I think that Spain should unfreeze if Portugal is taken by WAllies.

Also just to point it out, if you eliminate your separation of Azores and Portugal (done so WAllies can take Azores w/o Portugal going Axis), and weaken Portugal from your mod (like maybe 1 art + 1 AA + 1 militia), and make Spain frozen, then everything is mostly taken care of. Even if Portugal goes Axis when the Azores are taken, troops can't get to/from Germany without Spain unfreezing (or control of the seas), but the resources would count to AV. Spain can be made to unfreeze if Portugal (the territory) is taken, not if Portugal (the nation) is attacked (e.g. Azores).

Just another random idea (purely random, throwing it out, I don't claim it is a GOOD idea), with a frozen Spain you could add a factory and let them build militia. If Germany chose, Spain could get harder and harder to take over the course of the game. But then, the WAllies would be less and less likely to do anything to unfreeze Spain if militia builds up, but then Germany has no reason to build the militia if it never gets to use it ... it seems like it could add an interesting dilemma. If Spain builds supplies, it represents aid to Germany (but not really, since Germany is resource limited most of the time anyway). If Spain builds militia, it represents Spain defending itself to deter attack instead of sending resources to Germany.