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RE: Questions About This Game
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 3:30 pm
by Marc von Martial
ORIGINAL: Vyshka
I must have started when I was about 11 or 12. Tactics II and Victory in the Pacific were my first titles.
Yeah, that´s around my entry age. I think I was 13 too. Started with Kampfgruppe on the C-64, although the "Fulda Gap" boardgame (can´t recall the company), really started my attention on wargames.
RE: Questions About This Game
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 1:04 pm
by Moltke71
I was 10 with the Milton Bradly Battleground game. Cooked up our first house rules.
RE: Questions About This Game
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 1:43 pm
by elmo3
Since we're all showing our age; the first wargame I remember was Stratego (the wooden set) that a friend and I chipped in to buy back in the 60's. Still have it. Tactics II and D-Day from AH were next I think.
RE: Questions About This Game
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 2:51 pm
by Hard Sarge
I was about to say, I was 10 or so when I got into some of the early AH games (AK/St)
but then the post above reminded me
my Uncle used to have a number of MB games, which to be honest, while simple, were pretty good,and I used to wait to go over and see Grandma and Grandpa, just so I could play those games with my Uncle (he was 5 years older then I was)
there was a WWI airfighting game, you both got 6 planes, and 2 airfields and I think 4 flak guns for each base, a die would be rolled for you to move your plane (you got two stands, the plane on the stand was in the air, the others were on the ground)
you rolled the die until you got into a attack postion, head to head, who ever had the highest burst card won and the other plane was shot down, if you got the flank or rear of the plane, a low burst card would shoot it down, unless he had a MVR card that let him make you miss
if in the right place and time, you could try and attack the base, but the flak was either hit or miss, so great gains if it missed, major hurt if it hit
that was very simple but over all a pretty good game !
there was also a 1812 sea battle game, the GB had to enter a Harbor to sink 4 ships at the docks, they had the greater/strong force
but the US had only 2 ways into the Harbor and 4 coastal guns (2 miss and 2 hit) and 6 mines, 3 duds and 3 sink)
if you got a crossing shot on the bow or stern, it was a free shot and you took no damage, but side to side, you both took damage
again, a simple game, but they could get intense as his last ship was baring down on your last ship at dock and you only got a cutter to save the day
to be honest, I think those simple games were what got me hooked, and most times, the HARDer and HARDer the games are made, they still are not as fun or as intense as these were, way back then
RE: Questions About This Game
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 4:42 pm
by Naomi
Ah, this thread is morphing into a collection of nostalgia and memoirs.
RE: Questions About This Game
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 12:19 pm
by Adam Parker
Airfix 1:32 soldiers and a rubber band.
What were they thinking of when they brought out the German Mountain set and after they started taking swastika's off their box art there went the histo-realism and the whole thing went to buggery [:D]
RE: Questions About This Game
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 12:39 pm
by elmo3
I still have my copy of Parker Brothers Civil War Game 1863; copyright 1961. That one hepled get me hooked on wargames. [:)]
To get back on topic I have CoG, but it's on the shelf right now waiting for the next official patch and the much needed revised manual. I'll probably give it another try when those are out.
RE: Questions About This Game
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 1:59 pm
by BossGnome
my first would be wargame was...chess, when I was like 6. Then I took up stratego at 7, then I took up Risk at 9, then moved to computer RTS at 11 (I love you starcraft!), then to simple RTS a few years ago, like Age of Wonders, or Civilization, tried out Axis and Allies at 13, but failed to get hooked, and Korsun Pocket, at 14, was the first computerized "real" wargame I bought so far...
RE: Questions About This Game
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 6:16 pm
by crsutton
Yes, I was about eight when I found a unplayed copy of AH Gettysburg- square hexes in my dad's closet. He never played it but did not want me to play it either. So, I would sneak it out when he was away on trips. I did not know the rules and could not really make much sense of them. I just moved the pieces around and played my own simulated battle. Kind of like toy soldiers with cardboard. I probably knew more about Gettysburg than any other kid around. Ah.....life is really too short.
Here is a real test for all of you. If you remember this you are really old. What is it?
1 = DE
2 = Ex
3 = A back one
4 = D back one
5 = Ex
6 = AE
Bonus question. What were the odds?
RE: Questions About This Game
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 6:33 pm
by elmo3
Looks like one column of a CRT. I'll guess 1-1 odds.
RE: Questions About This Game
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 6:47 pm
by Russian Guard
I'll guess 3/2 odds...France 40?
RE: Questions About This Game
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 3:24 am
by rhondabrwn
ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge
I was about to say, I was 10 or so when I got into some of the early AH games (AK/St)
but then the post above reminded me
my Uncle used to have a number of MB games, which to be honest, while simple, were pretty good,and I used to wait to go over and see Grandma and Grandpa, just so I could play those games with my Uncle (he was 5 years older then I was)
there was a WWI airfighting game, you both got 6 planes, and 2 airfields and I think 4 flak guns for each base, a die would be rolled for you to move your plane (you got two stands, the plane on the stand was in the air, the others were on the ground)
you rolled the die until you got into a attack postion, head to head, who ever had the highest burst card won and the other plane was shot down, if you got the flank or rear of the plane, a low burst card would shoot it down, unless he had a MVR card that let him make you miss
if in the right place and time, you could try and attack the base, but the flak was either hit or miss, so great gains if it missed, major hurt if it hit
that was very simple but over all a pretty good game !
there was also a 1812 sea battle game, the GB had to enter a Harbor to sink 4 ships at the docks, they had the greater/strong force
but the US had only 2 ways into the Harbor and 4 coastal guns (2 miss and 2 hit) and 6 mines, 3 duds and 3 sink)
if you got a crossing shot on the bow or stern, it was a free shot and you took no damage, but side to side, you both took damage
again, a simple game, but they could get intense as his last ship was baring down on your last ship at dock and you only got a cutter to save the day
to be honest, I think those simple games were what got me hooked, and most times, the HARDer and HARDer the games are made, they still are not as fun or as intense as these were, way back then
The naval game was called "Broadsides" and I played the heck out of that one. You didn't mention how the ships all tiny removable masts / sails and you removed the sails as you took hits until all sails were gone.
I just got up and checked my musty old closet and, yes, I still have my copy of Broadsides! I'll need to dust it off and introduce some of my school kids to this classic.
I also had the WWI air game also... for the life of me I can't think of what it was called... grrrr... my age is showing. I think my older son walked off with that one a few years ago.
Names.... was it "Dogfight"?
Help... must know.... must rollback encroaching senility.... [:D]
RE: Questions About This Game
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 6:17 am
by TexHorns
yes it was dogfight. my older brothers had it and i played the "dog" out of it, left nothing but the "fight". my brothers had several of the old MB games that got me hooked.
at age 9 or 10 I had a friend who had AH Third Reich and Luftwaffe. We played those a ton and I was really hooked. Bought my first game at age 11. Panzer Blitz. Now age 40 and I have approximately 100+ games in my collection. My own 9 and 11 year old sons do not like the cardboard counter games. They are spoiled by the plastic minatuares of contemporary games. BTW, some of the contemporary games are very good. Eagle Games Civilization is one of our favorites right now. AH History of the World also gets high marks.
RE: Questions About This Game
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 11:11 am
by elmo3
ORIGINAL: rhondabrwn
...I also had the WWI air game also... for the life of me I can't think of what it was called... grrrr... my age is showing. I think my older son walked off with that one a few years ago.
Names.... was it "Dogfight"?
Help... must know.... must rollback encroaching senility.... [:D]
Could have been TSR's Dawn Patrol.
RE: Questions About This Game
Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 1:39 am
by Adam Parker
ORIGINAL: crsutton
Here is a real test for all of you. If you remember this you are really old. What is it?
1 = DE
2 = Ex
3 = A back one
4 = D back one
5 = Ex
6 = AE
Bonus question. What were the odds?
Tactics 2 at 2:1 odds [:D][8|]
ORIGINAL: elmo3
Could have been TSR's Dawn Patrol.
I think a copy of that one is at the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum?
RE: Questions About This Game
Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 1:28 pm
by elmo3
ORIGINAL: Adam Parker
ORIGINAL: elmo3
Could have been TSR's Dawn Patrol.
I think a copy of that one is at the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum?
There is also a copy on my closet shelf. [:)]
RE: Questions About This Game
Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 8:57 pm
by Adam Parker
You're on our itinerary for our next visit to the States then!
(I can't tell you how many times I got lost in NY btw. The traffic's on the wrong side of the road to start with so every time I walked west I was going east and everything looked the same to me...)
Thanks for the heads up on the rule book for this game too.
RE: Questions About This Game
Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 10:01 pm
by crsutton
ORIGINAL: Adam Parker
ORIGINAL: crsutton
Here is a real test for all of you. If you remember this you are really old. What is it?
1 = DE
2 = Ex
3 = A back one
4 = D back one
5 = Ex
6 = AE
Bonus question. What were the odds?
Tactics 2 at 2:1 odds [:D][8|]
ORIGINAL: elmo3
Could have been TSR's Dawn Patrol.
I think a copy of that one is at the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum?
Right you are! 1-1 odds had two chances for the attacker to lose. In all of those early board games, you had to get at least 3-1 odds to assure that you would not be defeated. 3-1 was the holy grail of attacking. You could not lose-except for the dreaded "exchange" since the defender removed first and the attacker had to remove factors at least equal in number to the defenders. This could be costly.
RE: Questions About This Game
Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:51 pm
by Gil R.
This is only semi-related, but, speaking of war games, did any of you catch the story that the Russians have invented a new nuclear warhead delivery system that would allow a warhead get around certain laws of physics and change trajectory in mid-course, thus thwarting the U.S. missile defenses that depend on calculating trajectory in order to head off a warhead? Imagine how difficult "Missile Command" would have been if those missiles suddenly zigged or zagged.
Yes, yes, I realize that arcade games do not count as war games, but this message, like most of mine, is at least partly motivated by deep underlying feelings of humiliation that I'm a member of the WCS design team but have yet to break 20 posts on this board...
RE: Questions About This Game
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:47 am
by Kevan
There's a copy of Dawn Patrol on my shelf too, where it's been for way too long.
Found out a few months ago that there's a Dawn Patrol module for the Vassal system. Now you can play online, but I haven't seen anyone playing for the last couple of months.