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Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2002 7:48 am
by V-man
Originally posted by troopie:


"These Are the rules of life. 1: The Best is the Enemy of Good Enough. 2: No plan was ever improved by making it more complicated. 3: No situation was ever so bad that Headquarters couldn't make it worse." Sgt. Louis DeWet SAA

troopie

[ February 02, 2002: Message edited by: troopie ]


There are only two Rules in War.
#1 - Good men Die.
#2 - Nobody, not even doctors, can change Rule #1.
-LTC Henry Blake, M*A*S*H 4077

V-man

Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2002 7:53 am
by V-man
Originally posted by WW2'er:
Okay.


Now what are some of YOUR favorites? Where you can, please give credit to the appropriate poster!

Thanks!

[ January 31, 2002: Message edited by: WW2'er ]

The following ae all attributed to George S Patton, Jr, GENERAL, AUS. I think they are all appropriate here.

There is nothing more pathetic and futile than a general who lives long enough to explain a defeat.

Success in war depends on the 'golden rules of war'; speed, simplicity, and boldness.

The enemy is as ignorant of the situation as are we.

You are not beaten until you admit it.

You don't have to hurry, you have to run like hell.

War is the only place where a man lives.

Do your duty as you see it, and damn the consequences.

It is the unconquerable soul of man and not the nature of the weapon he uses which insures victory.

Lack of orders is no excuse for inaction.

Anything done vigorously is better than nothing done tardily.

Aviation cannot take prisoners nor hold ground.

A tank which stops to fire, gets hit.

A good solution applied with vigor now is better than a perfect solution applied ten minutes later.

We can conquer only by attacking.

Speed and ruthless violence on the beaches is vital. There must be no hesitation in debarking. To linger on the beaches is fatal.

Officers must assert themselves by example and by voice.

There is no 'approved' solution to any tactical situation.

There is only one tactical principle which is not subject to change. It is, "To use the means at hand to inflict the maximum amount of wounds, death, and destruction on the enemy in the minimum amount of time."

In case of doubt, ATTACK!

We must remember that victories are not gained solely by selfless devotion. To conquer, we must destroy our enemies. We must not only die gallantly, we must kill devastatingly. The faster and more effectively we kill, the longer we will live to enjoy the priceless fame of conquerors.

Battle is the most magnificent competition in which a human being can indulge. It brings out all that is best; it removes all that is base.

It is easy to die for nothing, one should die for something.

The more senior the officer, the more time he has to go to the front.

As long as you attack them, they cannot find the time to attack you.

A pint of sweat saves a gallon of blood.

One continues to learn about war by practicing war.

The soldier is the Army. No Army is better than it's soldiers.

Never stop until you have gained the top or the grave.

The world has no use for a defeated soldier and nothing too good for a victor.

Never stop being ambitious. You have but one life, live it to the fullest of glory and be willing to pay any price.

Genius is an immense capacity for taking pains.

Always do more than is required of you.

It is better to live in the limelight for a year than in the wings forever.

Fame never yet found a man who waited to be found.

Everything is a 'final heat'.

By perseverance, and study, and eternal desire, any man can become great.

Do not regard what you do only as 'preparation' for doing the same thing more fully or better at some later time. Nothing is ever done twice. There is no next time. This is of special application to war. There is but one time to win a battle or a campaign. It must be won the first time.

There is but one international law; the best Army!

We will have no real Army until we have universal service.

In war, death is incidental; loss of time is criminal.

War means fighting and fighting means killing.

If a man thinks war long enough, it is bound to have a good effect on him.

Punishment is not for the benefit of the sinner, it is for the salvation of his comrades.

There are more tired Corps and Division commanders than there are tired Corps and Divisions.

Fatigue makes cowards of us all. Men in condition do not tire.

Cowardice is a disease and it must be checked before it becomes epidemic.

Haste and speed are not synonymous.

The true objective of armor is enemy infantry and artillery; and above all else, his supply installations and command centers.

You must never halt because some other unit is stuck. If you push on, you will relieve the pressure on the adjacent unit and it will accompany you.

The sole purpose of the cannon on the tank is to let the tank get into where it can use it's machine gun to kill the enemy.

The unleavened bread of knowledge will sustain life, but it is dull fare unless it is leavened with the yeast of personality.

To be a successful soldier, you must know history.

Like wine, accounts of valor mellow with age; until Achilles dead 3000 years stands peerless.

Many soldiers are led to faulty ideas of war by knowing too much about too little.

War is an art and as such it is not susceptible of explanation by fixed formulae.In peace, the scholar flourishes. In war, the soldier dies. So it comes about that we view our soldiers through the eyes of scholars and attribute to them scholarly virtues.

The pacifist actually refuses to defend what defends him; his country. In the final analysis this is the most basic immoral position.

Throughout history wars have been lost because of armies not crossing rivers.

An army is like a piece of cooked spaghetti. You can't push it, you have to pull it after you.

War is simple, direct, and ruthless. It takes a simple, direct, and ruthless man to wage it.

War is a killing business. You must spill the enemy's blood or they will spill yours.

The greatest privilege of citizenship is to be able to freely bear arms under one's country's flag.

All men are afraid in battle. The coward is the one who lets his fear overcome his sense of duty.

Go until the last shot is fired and the last drop of gasoline is gone. Then go forward on foot.

The hardest thing a general has to do is to wait for the battle to start after all of the orders have been given.

Americans do not surrender.

Never make excuses whether or not it is your fault.If brevity is the soul of wit, then repetition is the heart of instruction.

The important thing in any organization is the creation of a soul, which is based on pride, in the unit.

Re-grouping is the curse of war and it is a great boon to the enemy.

It may be of interest to future generals to realize that one makes plans to fit the circumstances, and does not try to create circumstances to fit plans.

The only thing to do when a son of a bitch looks cross-eyed at you is to beat the hell out of him right then and there.

There is nothing democratic about war. It is a straight dictatorship. The use of force to attain the end desired.

As long as man exists, there will be war. The only way to avoid trouble is to have the best Army, Navy, and Air Force.

V-man

Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2002 8:55 am
by chief
When I was younger and flying barrier (RADAR)(DEW LINE) patrols during the Cold War my squadron had a motto, which I used as a tag line till 911. It was "Fore warned is Fore armmed". Still effective today as it was then.... <img src="mad.gif" border="0">

Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2002 10:22 am
by RichardTheFirst
My favourite movies line goes more or less like this:

"You must be wondering how many bullets I used: did I used six or just five? Well, I'm not going to tell that to you. So after all only one question remains in your head: "Do I feel lucky?" WELL, DO YOU? PUNK?"

(Accolades to the first that gives me the correct full line and the author <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> )

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Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2002 10:24 am
by troopie
Then there's this Patton quote. "Fixed fortifications are monuments to the stupidity of man."

"Never appoint 'acting' chieftains." Attila the Hun. (attributed)

troopie

Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2002 11:47 pm
by Belisarius
Originally posted by RichardTheFirst:
My favourite movies line goes more or less like this:

"You must be wondering how many bullets I used: did I used six or just five? Well, I'm not going to tell that to you. So after all only one question remains in your head: "Do I feel lucky?" WELL, DO YOU? PUNK?"

(Accolades to the first that gives me the correct full line and the author <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> )

[ February 03, 2002: Message edited by: RichardTheFirst ]

"I know what you're thinking. Did he fire six shots or only five? Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement, I've kinda lost track myself. But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya punk?" --Harry Callahan, a.k.a. Dirty Harry <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">

author? maybe Harry Julian Fink?

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2002 12:36 am
by fontenoy
Just a mild correction Velovich.One of the adages you attribute to the illustrious General Patton is not actually his."war means fighting and fighting means killing"is attributed to Nathan Bedford Forrest,the Confederate cavalry general.I have read this in several books about the Civil War.
Respectfully,
fontenoy.

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2002 3:11 am
by RichardTheFirst
And the Oscar goes to... Belisarius. <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2002 3:47 am
by Tomanbeg
The best I have read is Jeff Norton's. As soon as he quits using it I am going to steal it.
T.

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2002 3:50 am
by V-man
Originally posted by troopie:
Then there's this Patton quote. "Fixed fortifications are monuments to the stupidity of man."

troopie

"Fixed fortifications are monuments to the stupidity of man. We can bridge rivers, cross oceans, demolish mountains. What is anythign built by man compared to that?"

This isn't exactly right, but that was the missing part.

V-man

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2002 3:58 am
by V-man
Originally posted by fontenoy:
Just a mild correction Velovich.One of the adages you attribute to the illustrious General Patton is not actually his."war means fighting and fighting means killing"is attributed to Nathan Bedford Forrest,the Confederate cavalry general.I have read this in several books about the Civil War.
Respectfully,
fontenoy.

You are right, now that I think on it. Well. Patton was certainly a student of military history and that list comes from, mostly, his personal writings and the biographies where he is attributed to saying these things.

V-man

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2002 7:06 am
by Truckeye
"Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has not heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains. "
- Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2002 10:53 am
by Kanon Fodder
"Who Dares, Wins."

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2002 11:29 am
by mogami
" All your bases are belonging to us"

sounds like something Yogi would have said. I like Yogisms. "You gotta be a good, bad ball hitter" (Yogi's strike zone went from 2 feet over his head to, in the dirt 2 feet in front of the plate.)
Nobody goes there anymore; it's too crowded"
"Half this game is ninety percent mental."
"If the world were perfect, it wouldn't be."
"If the people don't want to come out to the ballpark, nobody's going to stop them."
"It's deja vu all over again."
"You better cut the pizza in four pieces because I'm not hungry enough to eat six."
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is."
"You can observe a lot by just watching."

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2002 11:41 am
by Big T
Here are a couple of good ones I like;

"All men are frightened. The more intelligent they are, the more they are frightened. The courageous man is the man who forces himself, in spite of his fear, to carry on."

-General George S. Patton


"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning,that's as good as they're going to feel all day."
- Frank Sinatra

Reality is an illusion that occurs due to the lack of alcohol. (dunno who to give credit to on this one)

Then of course there's the one I still use, from the late, great Douglas Adams.

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2002 5:01 pm
by AC
"Krieg ist die Fortsetzung der Politik mit anderen Mitteln"
"War is the continuation of politics by other means"

von Clausewitz, "Vom Kriege"

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2002 6:49 pm
by panda124c
"Remember, no matter where you go, there you are."

"It's not my G** D*** planet, monkey boy!"

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2002 7:25 pm
by Jackk
My favorite sentence of all time came from the bible, and I guess it's attributed to God.

"I am"

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2002 2:28 am
by fontenoy
One of my favourites:"It is well that war is so terrible or we should grow too fond of it"Robert E.Lee after witnessing the slaughter of Union troops on Marye's Heights at the battle of Fredericksburg,December 1862.
fontenoy

Come and fight with me,and should we lose the battle tomorrow,we shall both of us run away-Frederick the Great to a frightened Prussian soldier who was caught deserting.He won the battle.I can't honestly remember which one it was.

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2002 7:06 am
by BvB
Friendly Fire, isn't!

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One thing I learned in the army: when the pin is pulled, Mr Grenade is not our friend.

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If a private tells you he's done something, go check it. If a lieutenant tells you he's done it, go do it.

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How do you spell relief? E-N-D-E-X (end of exercise, after a long field problem/deployment)